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Poll: Where should a new Buffalo Bills stadium be built?

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Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo wants to learn details about building the Buffalo Bills a new stadium within the next 10 years.

Cuomo's administration on Monday sent a letter to Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz and Bills President Russ Brandon to inform them he had assembled the beginnings of a committee to explore a new stadium.

Among the most significant topics will be the best place to put it, something Bills fans have imagined this possibility for a long time.

So tell The Buffalo News where you think a new football stadium should go. If you choose "other," then please list your desired site in the comments section below.

  • Some Guy

    Put it right by one of the I-990 exits. Easy on/off and close enough to UB so that maybe they'll want to play there and the stadium will get more use.

    • MatthewK

      I'm sure the folks in Amherst that shot down Bendersons life style center development due to traffic concerns and the consistent elimination of green space in Amherst would be 100 percent behind that proposal?...n

  • Rocco Anastasio

    LaSalle Park. Near the Peace Bridge, 190, and on the water front. Plenty of space for parking, tailgating, etc..

  • Matthew Ricchiazzi

    Put in on the Niagara River, on top of the Sewage Treatment Plant.

    • Sean Danvers

      Right, since your plans for that included no access roads, parking, filling in the Black Rock Canal and ignore the fact that playing on top of a sewage treatment plant would mean the entire stadium would reek nonstop. Well thought out.

      • Jonnno

        Building it there would give a whole new meaning to "The Ralph"

      • Matthew Ricchiazzi

        Hogwash!

    • Matthew

      While your at it, build a second stadium on Navy Island, rip out all the freeways in the city, and enforce mandatory travel by cat-powered rickshaw.

    • BuffaloB

      Matthew Ricchiazzi everybody! He will be here all night. Be sure to try the veal and always remember to tip the waitresses.

  • Buffalo Shark

    Where ever Ralphie boy wants to spend his own money to do it. It should not be tax payer funded.

    • Tim H

      Do you have any idea how much tax revenue the state and Erie County bring in each year, solely because if the Bills? Player salaries, sales tax revenue, visitor spending, etc... Chris Collins estimated it to be around $10 million a year. So, the state will LOSE money if the Bills leave...forget about the national clout and publicity that the Bills bring to town.nnnThere is no way to position not having the Bills in Buffalo as a good thing.

      • Buffalo Shark

        10mil a year? So 80-100 years just to pay for the build price not even counting the ongoing maintenance, cost of police to handle traffic and security, etc?

        • Tim H

          Yep, sounds about right, IF the state/county picked up the entire tab for a new stadium....I DOUBT that would ever happen.nnnAlso, we spend a few million each year on trying to get people to visit Buffalo, and trying to keep Buffalo in front of people, fo rteh purpose of remaining relevant, and attracting business. The Bills do both. The Bills go away, and now you'll be spending more money on doing these two things as well...nnnAgain...hard to make a good argument on how the Bills leaving WNY could be a good thing....

  • Dan R

    Either put up a nice retractable roof stadium that can be used year round or don't bother. Buffalo needs to think big here.

    • BullGuy

      Buffalo doesn't do well at thinking big. Look at the Peace Bridge fiasco.....there was a great opportunity to build something unique and noteworthy, and it crashed and burned.

      • BuffaloB

        We USED to have a problem thinking big ...

  • Chester Reinhardt

    put it in the city of buffalo with retractable roof

    • W.T. Beef

      I would support a retractable roof over the city of Buffalo to cut down on my heating costs.

  • Gary Walters

    First, decide what to do with 'The Ralph'. How many years did War Memorial Stadium sit abandoned before it finally was torn down? Build where the Steel Plants were in Lackawanna and reuse the property that way the area can finally be properly cleaned up.

    • Big Frank

      That land will be uninhabitable for 1,000 years.

      • Billy Pilgrim

        it's hard to get that stale beer smell out

    • Jamie Rozek

      Parts of War Memorial still stand and are being utilized.

  • robert wendt

    traffic downtown would be impossible with a NFL stadium downtown

    • No_Illusions

      Why? Downtown is a ghost town on Sundays. It would actually be nice to see some traffic there for a change.

      • MatthewK

        It's the only area that makes sense...the restaurant and hospitality folks would be deeply appreciative of the pick up that would result on the normally slow Sunday Monday. nnI always thought it'd be great if we had a Buffalo version of Wrigleyville in Chicago...a guy can dream!

  • Peter Bell

    Wow! A new Stadium and Donald Trump as a gubernatorial Candidate.nIs recreational marijuana legal in NYS?

  • B H

    King Cuomo wants to buy our votes with our money again. Don't fall for it WNY ! ! !

    • gwgirl80

      I rather our area get the money instead of developers downstate who build luxury towers and pay no taxes on.

  • No_Illusions

    Where would they even have room for a stadium in the Northtowns...besides near all those factories in Tonawanda?nnThe Outer Harbor would be a great location with the proper transportation upgrades. Plenty of open space to tailgate. This also might actually speed up the development of the Outer Harbor...at this rate it will be decades until its all build out...a stadium would decrease that to less than 10 years. All that is needed is better access from downtown. Expand the metrorail and have people park downtown...which is almost deserted on Sundays.

  • Ed Gentner

    Buffalo has the third highest rate of poverty in the country, our roads and infrastructure are crumbling, Niagara Falls despite the valiant efforts of its current Mayor Paul Dyster is a disaster...now is not the time to talk of squandering hundreds of millions of dollars for a new stadium for a football team that adds little or nothing to the area other than inflated expectations for a couple of hours on game days that the region couldn't do with out them. It's corporate welfare at its worst.

    • MatthewK

      Granted the results we've seen from the team are deplorable but think for a second that if the Bills and their public expenditures weren't in the picture anymore that the lovely politicians in WNY would just give that money back? nnUnfortunately I don't think more welfare is the answer to Buffalos poverty problems..which is where the Bills funding would end up...

      • frcorny

        Yadda, yadda, yadda .....the poor will be with us always .... the Billies? Not sure ........but we need them, desperately, lousy records notwithstanding (or maybe because of it! The "we are tough and never give in" mentality that provides hope regardless) ... Build it and they will come! How about between East Aurora and Olean ..... And finish 400 while your at it!

      • Ed Gentner

        Funding the Bills is corporate welfare, and does little or nothing to improve the whole community and represents a net loss of money that could be better utilized. Let Ralph Wilson or some other private entity cover the cost of a new or improved stadium for this or any other special interest group.

  • Odell

    If a new stadium is built build it in close vicinity to UB. A top tier NCAA UB football program would add more to the region than the NFL Bills ever will.

  • ucanthandlethetruth

    you all know it doesn't make sense to plan to build a new stadium if within 10 years you don't have a team anymore...

    • El Kabong

      tell us tomorrow's lottery numbers then, Nostradamus...

    • Brian Buckley

      The whole reason to build the stadium is to keep the Bills. That was the whole point of the negotiation of the new lease. The Bills are going to get a new stadium before their next lease. If one isn't built in Buffalo before the lease is up, you can bet they will have a new stadium in LA or Toronto.

      • Buffalo Shark

        LA which can't keep NFL teams and Toronto which doesn't come close to selling out it's stadium for the bills

        • Ron Warren

          I am curious, if the situation was reversed and this team was the "Toronto" Bills and they decided to play one game a year in Buffalo, would you buy tickets to watch this teamn(in December)? Given the fourteen years and counting of mediocrity along with the fact that by the time the game in Toronto is played, they have invariably been all but eliminated from the playoffs, frankly, I am surprised they sell as many tickets as they do!

          • Buffalo Shark

            No I wouldn't, especially if we already had our own football team and league

      • ByTheNumbers

        LA or Toronto!! Either one will be better than Buffalo

  • Lokie

    Toronto

    • 8675309Rickie

      Sorry Toronto. Stick to hockey :)

  • MatthewK

    There is plenty of space on the near east side adjacent to Downtown or in the Firstward/"north" South Buffalo. Minutes away from the Peace bridge and what should be the economic future of Wny, CANADA AND THE METRO GTA! nnOur future lies with the connections we make in Ontario..and one of the fastest growing regions in North America, not Batavia or Rochester. nnOnly thing I ask, for the love of god when it's built downtown( make no mistake folks..they're not leaving and it will be built in Buffalo) please make it so I can take the train And not have to worry about traffic or driving. You can take the train from the suburbs in Cleveland to Jacobs field or Browns stadium...We should definitely be able to do so in Buffalo, Ny!

    • Ron Warren

      And therein lies the problem, the stadium cost is only the beginning, since a downtown stadium and any other development around it that may be built, would have very limited parking and would require at least another billion or more for a proper rapid transit system to move the people necessary to and from the area and we are not talking a few thousand people here folks, we are talking perhaps 40-50,000 exiting the stadium all at once who have to travel to a suburban area where they have parked their vehicle. nnnIt is nice to dream, however, I am not really sure the taxpayer of Buffalo and WNY really understands the scope of such a project, the time it would take to build it and the enormous amount of taxpayer funds involved. Certainly Toronto is many times bigger and richer than Buffalo, however, even with a well established multi-tiered rapid transit system already in place that presently moves "millions" of people in and out and around the city every day, they are still looking at another 30-40 billion dollars to be spent on rapid transit over the next twenty years just to meet existing growth levels!nnnEven if you took just 10% of that figure, one can see the money that is required to do the job right and a proper transit system isn't just going to be built just to move people back and forth from a stadium, it just wouldn't make any sense. If Buffalo and WNY hopes to turn itself around and start moving in to the future, these are the issues that have to be confronted.

      • Craig K

        It wouldn't be anywhere near that cost! You need to extend the sbove-ground portion of the metro rail to the stadium if it was on the waterfront. You would need to build a bridge over the Buffalo River and the rail beds to the stadium. That would cost plenty less than your $3-4 billion estimate. I am sure the numbers you stated regarding Toronto are for subway lines...

        • Ron Warren

          As I stated the Toronto system is multi-tiered, subways are only one part of that cost and it is located primarily within the city limits and there area number of other systems involved in the process that I mentioned that move significant numbers of people in and out of the downtown core. The Lakeshore line alone(there are others)of Go Transit moves almost 300,000 people a day in and out of downtown!nnnCertainly the numbers for Buffalo would be considerably smaller, however, once again it is about moving people from the outlying areas and I doubt they are going to fund a metro rail rail system just to go to the stadium and the Metro Rail doesn't go far enough anyway. In order to be remotely financially viable other elements have to be involved and the present rail system on its own even extended isn't nearly enough to handle any significant numbers. nnnI think you might be surprised even doing the limited amount your suggesting as to how much it is going to cost and how long it would take to do it and that is IF the NFTA is even willing to consider such a project. nnnAs someone already suggested in order for this to work, Buffalo has to think a lot bigger.

      • MatthewK

        Great well thought out post Ron! The stadium is only the beginning of what it may potentially cost to keep the bills here, the arguments and points of view are endless. I agree that there are lots of issues that will need to be confronted and I think it would be foolish to assume that we have the orchard park format within city limits with no enhanced transit access.(aka sea of parking..one way in and one way out) mentioned in some other posts here...WNYERS aren't great at thinking big and planning for the future...I think the placement of a new stadium in buffalo will finally give is the opportunity to approach the mass transit subject (albeit significantly right sized and shrunk from the original plan I the 70s) and extend transit options somewhat to where they would benefit us and the region during game days and non game days alike. Clearly nothing in the realm of $30-40 billion...we will see.

        • Ron Warren

          Thank you for the compliment. I have no desire for the Bills to leave Buffalo, however, people have to understand it is just not about building a large public edifice and doing only that to fit the need of an individual in their own little world at the time. There has to be much more involved which as you say requires long-term planning and MONEY! nnnAgain , the point of Toronto and why it grew so much over the last 30 years while Buffalo and WNY basically stagnated? Infrastructure is vital and there are reasons why they have and continue to build privately funded(non taxpayer subsidized) 50, 60 and 70 story skyscrapers in Toronto while the only "skyscraper" in Buffalo has emptied out.

  • wags624

    Tear down the Perry Projects - plenty of room - the place is an eyesore now

    • Larry Burch

      This is actually the most logical location, make use of the shared infrastructure related to the First Niagara Center and all the development happening in the cobblestone district. The biggest issue is the need to raise some city blocks that may still be inhabited via eminent domain which is always messy and issues with the skyway. I know I'd love to be in stadium traffic on the skyway in December.nnAll the other location suggestions just don't work. Outer Harbor is idiotic because it is so incredibly isolated. It would probably cost you another billion to build the utility and transportation infrastructure out there. I think the only suggestion more laughable is Niagara Falls. So, do they realize that if that were to ever happen, then Niagara County taxpayers would have to foot the bill...cause Erie county sure as h*** isnt.

  • Irishkwh

    It should be put behind City Hall where that horrible housing project is on Niagara.City Hall could be the back drop like TD Jesus is at ND

  • Big Frank

    As long as it attracts Bass Pro to WNY, I don't care where they build it!!!!!!!!!

    • DontDriveAngry

      Back in the 80's, our elementary school teachers in Niagara Falls had us write letters to the Ghermazian Brothers Development Group and beg them to build a Mega Mall. Maybe that'll work this time around. Everyone get your pens and start writing and soon there'll be Bass Pro's, Mega Malls and Stadiums for everyone!

  • BullGuy

    It belongs Downtown but only with the right infrastructure upgrades that give people easy access in and out. Trying to get people in and out via a 2 lane pothole infested street is not the way to do it. nnnBut, I'm open to putting it anywhere, including across Abbott Road from the current stadium.

    • 8675309Rickie

      Make the most cost effective sense to put the new stadium across Abbott Road. The infrastructure is ALREADY there. Erie County already owns the land (put the new stadium between the Ralph and ECC South.

  • wtbillmckibben

    We almost got it right the last time. It's pointless to rehash why the stadium is in the snow belt, but let's not goof it up again. A stadium is needed for way more than a handful of NFL games, we need a venue of that nature for a world of uses. nnWe need a domed stadium. It needs to be in the center of the metro area. Downtown is the center. The harbor front is not traffic friendly, it would be a nightmare every time there was an event. nnThe Perry Project is outdated and the wrong kind of housing for the poor. Now is the time to start working toward the future those who live there deserve, homes not boxes. nnCongrats to the Governor for getting the planning going while there is still time to do it right.

    • Big Frank

      And who shall pay for those "deserved" homes?

      • wtbillmckibben

        Well, the tax revenue raised by the new stadium will help and those of us who thank God every day that we have been blessed to live in this land and in the City of Good Neighbors.

      • BuffaloB

        Please go hate the poor somewhere else ...

        • Big Frank

          I don't hate the poor, I just love the rich

          • BuffaloB

            I'll admit it -- I giggled ... but still ...

  • Truth Serum

    Build a dome stadium in Lancaster.......oops.

    • ImpeachCuomo

      Didn't someone go to jail for the 1970's domed-stadium debacle? I recall it involved 3 co-conspirators, one who is now a politician.

      • Truth Serum

        Good memory. I think one was a politician's brother. Fraud and corruption. We paid the price.

        • wtbillmckibben

          We actually paid more than the cost of a domed stadium.

          • Truth Serum

            Got that right.

      • MatthewK

        I do believe it cost the county $10 million bucks back in the late eighties early nineties. Don't give up try it again lol.

      • W.T. Beef

        Two Erie County legislators went to jail, Frank Ludera, and Frederick Pordum for conspiring to obtain bribes.

    • Ismaeal Naji

      HA HA

  • Jamie Rozek

    It's silly to put this stadium downtown. Sorry, the infrastructure isn't there to support it, and if we build it, we will ruin what we have already. nIt makes the most sense to build it out past Lancaster. Have a thruway exit for it. This will keep it accessible to everyone in WNY, Ontario, and make it MORE accessible to Bills fans east of here---Rochester, Syracuse, etc. PLUS, you have much more space out that way.

    • wtbillmckibben

      Sorry Jamie, your traffic intel is off, all our highway infrastructure is centered on downtown.

      • 8675309Rickie

        Wrong wtbillmckibben. Try to get in and out of downtown during a Sabres game. It takes forever! No place to park downtown. Have you been to a game in Toronto. It stinks!

        • wtbillmckibben

          Yes, I was at the first Sabres' game and many since. And I have been in Toronto when there were Jays' and Leaf's games wrapping up. nnThere are always traffic jams after major events. Have you been to a Bills' game? nnThe traffic pros have done study after study, downtown is bad, anywhere else is worse.

          • 8675309Rickie

            I am glad you added Actuarial science to the discussion. So who are these 'traffic pros'? They are the ones who put Rich Stadium in OP in the first place. They actually looked at egress and traffic impact to highways and roads. Look it up. It is in the books on why the Ralph is were it is!

          • wtbillmckibben

            The Ralph is where it is because a very powerful (now dead) individual convinced Ralph that's where it should go. Any CYA data is just that.

          • 8675309Rickie

            Are you talking about Jimmy Hoffa. I thought he was in the endzone in NJ. Go figure :)

        • MatthewK

          No place to park downtown....Hahahah

          • 8675309Rickie

            And the cost to park downtown is a bargin. Remember the World Jr Hockey in 2011? The most memerable moments are the news showing the parking attendants taking down the $100 parking signs. A Bills Game? You can double that.......

          • MatthewK

            Sad occurrence and should have been investigated thoroughly..it's marks like gouging of tourists that really leave a sour taste is visitors mouths. I don't remember seeing $100 parking..I saw $50-60 with 8hour maximums. But what would you expect in a city where you can't get around any other way. Ps I've never paid anything close to that to park in Chicago, Toronto, or NYC. But in Rickies buffalo world I guess it's possible $200 even. We are gonna move the stadium into buffalo and the parking rate is going to increase eight fold? Do you know how the words sound coming out of your mouth looney toon?nnYou reek of the type that b'tches at the drive thru when you could walk in and be out in five minutes. I laugh at fools like you at Shea's and FNA paying $20-$30 to park your car when you could park for 90 percent less if your willing to use those things...what are they..legs and walk a couple blocks. It's good for you Rickie..give it a shot.nnGet real..

          • 8675309Rickie

            Well MattieK, it was $100!!! Inwas there! And in Toronto, about 4nblocks away from Rogers, they said bend over and hand me $80 (it was Canadiannthough :), and Miami is $75. I was justnthere.nnAnd wow, that smell. Yes it isnyou Mattie. Coming from your tailpipenbecause you donu2019t know what you are talking about. I do walk about 2 miles to the Ralph afternparking at a friendu2019s house. Try walkingntwo miles to FNC. You will getnmugged. Been there, done that!nnIu2019ll get real, you get LOSTu2026..!

        • MatthewK

          If you must park within a block of the arena is takes forever. For those that are willing to walk a few blocks into the depths of the dreaded Downtown Buffalo and worse take non thruway side street...you can be on your way pretty quickly. nnPeople parking across from FNA and complaining about how long it takes to get home are very sad! You think it's bad now just wait a few more years and hope to god that canal side doesn't take off...then you'll have some tough deuces ions to make. You'll have to hold it or ditch your season tix.

        • Slu

          Saying there is no place to park in downtown is frankly ridiculous. If anything, there is too much parking downtown.

          • 8675309Rickie

            OK Slu. If you say so......:)

    • Craig K

      Really? No infrastructure downtown? Metro Rail, 190, Route 5, many major road arteries throughout the city. Um, sure...you're right. Lancaster has more...

      • MatthewK

        Honestly..stupid comment. I don't think there is a place with more infrastructure for people moving in this part of the state the. Dt buffalo. nnThat's without taking heed to the radial street plan you could take advantage of instead of taking the thruways.

        • Craig K

          I was being sarcastic! My point was that downtown has more infrastructure than Lancaster.

      • ByTheNumbers

        METRO RAIL ??? The train to nowhere!!!

    • Patrick Anonymous

      You're missing the point of building it downtown. nYou put it downtown and then you BUILD the infrastructure around it. This will create JOBS in the city as well as feed the local businesses downtown with an influx of income. It makes NO sense to have it anywhere outside of the city of Buffalo. Are they the Orchard Park Bills or the Buffalo Bills? You want to make them the Lancaster Bills? Serioulsy?!nAnd "ruin what we have already"? Have you spent time in our dead city? Have you ever tried to shop at the Target in downtown Buffalo? Oh wait...there isn't one. Build a new stadium downtown, build the roads to support it, and rip out the 190 so we can have our lakefront property back, and I guarantee there will be a huge resurgence of our beautiful city. nCan we all start to think about the future instead of living in the past? PLEASE?

    • MatthewK

      That sounds slightly familiar....

  • ImpeachCuomo

    Don't build it at all. Buffalo needs to break it's addiction to perpetual-losing sports teams.

    • Patrick Anonymous

      Buffalo needs to rid itself of close-minded pessimists, not sports teams.

    • Washnfold

      I agree with not building one. People don't seem to realize that the cost of tickets in a brand new stadium will be too much for a lot of the fans that give the Ralph it's character on Sundays (for whatever you think that's worth). I'd rather see the Bills leave town than have their games be as boring and sterile as our other lousy pro team.

      • El Kabong

        The Bills are going to get a new stadium. That is a fact, whether that stadium is here or in another city. Other people will gladly pony up for tickets.

        • Washnfold

          Great.

  • buffalobilly10

    build it in Rochester and change the name to the red wings

  • LeesburgNats

    Only if the city gets a solid 25 year lease

  • Truth Serum

    Build a dome at the current location.

  • joenamherst

    No way should they spend this amount of money in this poverty stricken area. The money should be spent repairing our failing infrastructure......sewers, waterlines, bridges roads etc., etc..

    • Patrick Anonymous

      If they build the stadium they have to improve the infrastructure as well to support it. It'll be a package deal.

  • lifes good!

    If you keep building and rebuilding things downtown...then maybe you should move downtown to another town!

  • David Coffee

    The South Buffalo area is ideal. There aren't many places near the city where you'd have enough space But some of the former industrial areas in South Buffalo are big enough. The best option is in the Valley, around Elk Street, between the 190 and the Buffalo River, it could be right next to the river which is great. The Bethlehem Steel site is huge, but it will be so windy by the lake that you would need a domed stadium.

    • Thomas Scott Sherry

      Lackawanna steel area would be great but I still prefer a pure downtown site ....

  • 8675309Rickie

    Build the new stadium across the street on Abbott Road. It makes the most sense! WNY can NOT afford to build a stadium in downtown PLUS the infrastructure (highways, parking, etc). A downtown stadium would double or triple the costs. Unless the Empire State (emperor Cuomo) and possible Uncle Sugar pay for most of it, WE CANu2019T AFFORD A DOWNTOWN STADIUM. Erie County already owns the land between the Ralph and ECC. The roads and highways are already set-up for gameday!n nAnd forget the domed stadium. The next stadium is going to have to last for 50 years too. Domed stadiums last about 20 to 30. (ie the late Astrodome, Kingdome, Metrodome, and soon to be late Georgia Dome!)

    • ByTheNumbers

      Once again !!!! The State and Feds DO NOT have a money tree. It's ALL OUR TAX $$$$.

      • 8675309Rickie

        Yes they DO! Every timenthe democrats want more entitlements they go to the Feds basement and printnmore $. Mr. Obama has rung up over $17Tn(yes that is a T for trillion) debt! Onenmore billion is nothing!

  • B H

    Put it to a vote for Erie County taxpayers to decide if they even want to support this horrible horrible horrible team. And then and only then decide where to the stadium.

    • 8675309Rickie

      The Bills bring in more revenue (for the area) than the cost of a stadium.

      • ByTheNumbers

        HA HA HA HA Thanks for the laugh!!

  • Colden Hills

    I say tear down city hall and build it right next to the new Federal Courthouse.

    • 8675309Rickie

      And park WHERE? Dropping $100 per seat for a ticket is enough, Dropping another $100 for parking where you are locked in for hrs is not going to happen!

      • John_257

        I am pretty sure it was a joke.

        • 8675309Rickie

          After reading a lot of these posts, it is hard to tell who is making a good point and who is insane!!!

      • Patrick Anonymous

        Have you ever heard of this thing they call the Metro Rail?

        • 8675309Rickie

          And how many thousands of fans can ride the rail with there tailgate gear? I am not sure they will let you on with a case of beer and pop, a package of dogs, and your BBQ grill !

        • 8675309Rickie

          So, how does thatncase of beer, case of pop, bag of hot dogs, potato chips, and BBQ grill sit onnyour lap while you are riding the rail anyway? nI be very interested in seeing that. nBon Voyage!

      • Ron Warren

        Most of the people that go to the dome, don't drive!

        • 8675309Rickie

          That is why the bills are ending the failed experiment at Rogers. People in Toronto go to the Bills games to give them something to do. So they walk....

          • Ron Warren

            Time to get out of the "trailer park" and see the world, clearly you have lived a very sheltered life. Aside from size alone, comparing Buffalo to Toronto aesthetically, economically, culturally or any other "ly" you can think of is like comparing sandlot baseball to the major leagues and the gap is widening by the hour.

          • 8675309Rickie

            Thanks Dr Warren for your psychiatric evaluation. Toronto is a very nice socialist city with a very nice culture, and very friendly hard working people (although there are some elitist such as yourself, as I know there are in Buffalo as well). Most of the metropolitan population is immigrants populating the city in the last 30 years or so. Buffalo whet through the same population growth back in the early 1900, again from immigration. Current WNYers are 3rd, 4th, or 5th generation. Whereas Toronto is 50/50. Population in WNY peaked in the 1950s and has stayed level since then. I worked in Toronto for most of the 1990s and most of my associates moved to Toronto from other countries. So yes, the stands were packed at the Blue Jays games back then. Now, they are in the middle of the league with pedestrian numbers even though they play in the 4th largest metropolitan city in NA. Cities like NY, LA, and Chicago which have two teams draw more attendance per team than the Jays.n nAnd, I do venture out of the u2018trailer parku2019 on occasion. I have a winter home in FL (with lots of lovely Canadian neighbors) and travel for business to Europe, Brazil and Asia very often. I have been to cities in China that you have never heard of that have 4 times the population as Toronto and are more modern. They even have u2018tricityu201d!n nFunny, but many of the season ticket holders that sit around me at the Ralph are Canadian. Most hate the Rogers Centre atmosphere and enjoy the Ralph and game day experience there. n nPerhaps, you should rejoin your mayor and have a u2018tokeu2019 or two. That will keep you in fantasy land. Best wishes docu2026u2026.:)

          • Ron Warren

            Good to see you have traveled however, clearly you have learned little or nothing in the process and your knowledge of history of the area leaves much to be desired. For someone that has to endure living in that nondescript 20th rate lunch bucket economic basket case it is you that is living in fantasy land, however, Rickie, do not fear, you have won an award.nnIn appreciation for your useless, non contributory, condescending, comments to this discussion you are now the poster child for the long standing and deserving motto of Buffalo and WNY. "Where new ideas and some brains go to die"nnCongratulations!

          • 8675309Rickie

            Dear Dr Warren! From the number of your posts via DISQUS to the Buffalo News to various issues, it appears that you are an expert in everything! So it goes, everyone has an opinion just like certain holes. 2 of yours are just bigger. Your mouth, and the one at the other end. I am glad you feel so superior. Keep spending your money at the Galleria to keep my taxes low.

  • mcattac1@msn.com

    on the waterfront!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 8675309Rickie

      Why not just build the damn thing on Lake Erie. Access would be about the same as the waterfront!

  • Patrick Anonymous

    Stop whining about "the infrastructure" guys. If they put it downtown then they will have to improve the infrastructure to do so. Thus creating JOBS in Buffalo. It's a win-win all around to put it downtown and help save our dying, beautiful city. nYou can't live life in the rearview mirror. You can remember the past, but always look ahead.

    • 8675309Rickie

      OK 'deep pockets Pat'.......I hope this is a joke....

  • disqus_Y3lcYsNJ40

    First, What's the plan for the Concrete monstrosity sitting in Orchard Park?nnnSecond, I don't care as long as it has provisions of a sliding dome cover, so we can have outdoor style games and close it for extreme weather games.

    • Thomas Scott Sherry

      New homes as far as the eye can see ...

    • W.T. Beef

      It will be converted into a world class wall climbing, rappelling, and paint ball center.

  • eskimo0101

    Really wish there was an option for "Don't build it, they're going to move to another city when Ralph dies anyway".

  • MrMiloDavis

    I think they should put it on Genesee Street, between Bailey and Fillmore. I mean, they'll have to take down the mighty Super Price Choppers, but I've seen the mega stores beaten before. Plus, the area could use a boost.

  • BuffaloB

    Build it Downtown -- let's not make the same mistake twice !

  • beez8987

    Can we suggest Toronto?nnThey will be there soon enough anyways.nDont waste the money in Buffalo the Bills are gone.

    • jim

      I still think this Toronto hanky-panky is merely a cash cow for Ralph Wilson and associates. The city as a whole doesn't appear to have much interest, and rightfully so.

      • MatthewK

        They can't even give the tix away...Ralph is laughing all the way to the bank. Total flop for Rogers Communication.

  • jim

    The location doesn't matter provided it's not in Zimbabwe as fans will go where they have to. Just don't expect the team to be any better from now until then and beyond.

  • Jeremy Bentham

    One thing about a downtown site, should a suitable property be available, is the fact the infrastructure is already better than anything other location in the area. Tens of thousands of commuters move into and out of downtown every single day. Forbes Magazine has identified the city as the best commuter city in the USA. The Main Street rail system can be expanded to Amherst. There is immediate access to railroad tracks at Main & Upper Terrace - Washington & Exchange Sts. that can be utilized to expand the local commuter rail system to move fans into Buffalo's Westside, Riverside, Tonawanda, North Tonawanda, Wheatfield, Niagara Falls, Buffalo's Eastside, Cheektowaga, Lancaster, Batavia, Rochester, Orchard Park, Lackawanna, Blasdell, Hamburg, and Canada.

    • 8675309Rickie

      I'll repeat myself. Have you ever been to a Sabres Game? Unless you park a mile away there is gridlock trying to get out. Take on a game in Cleveland. See how long it takes to get to and out of any parking you can find around there. It takes hours. Fill-up your tank before you get close to the stadium.

      • Jeremy Bentham

        Repeat yourself all you want. Rapid transit possibilities are available. Just because you drive everywhere doesn't mean that's the only way to get around. I take the train from UB Main St. to the Sabres games and other downtown events. My trips are easy. I could care less about problems caused by your poor person choices.

        • The General

          Good thing you're not a city planner.

        • ByTheNumbers

          Rapid transit ??? Do mean Jimmie Griffin's Toonerville Trolly to No-where??? If you think Buffalo has a rapid transit system, you're out of touch with the world!!!

        • 8675309Rickie

          Jeremy, poor person choices? nWhat are you talking about? Younmake it sound like I smoke a carton of sigs at a time or rob from a church. So, how does that case of beer, case of pop,nbag of hot dogs, potato chips, and BBQ grill sit on your lap while you arenriding the rail anyway? I be veryninterested in seeing that. Bon Voyage!

      • Tim H

        I've been to plenty of Panthers games at their stadium in downtown Charlotte, and it takes less time to get out of downtown after one of their games, than it does to get home (or even to the 219) after a game at the Ralph.nnnDowntown NFL stadiums, while not economic generators, make a lot of sense, as generally speaking, the downtown of a city, is the center of its population. IMO, this makes the most sense for Buffalo.

        • 8675309Rickie

          That is because the Panthers suck. And like Atlanta, nobody in Charlotte is originally from there. So the fans leave at half time!

    • boxgreen

      How would expanding the light rail system be justified for an event that occurs only a handful of times a year?

  • John Baker

    We might as well take a poll on which Supermodel I should date next.

    • Peg Metzger

      Thanks for the laugh!:)

    • Bob

      You can date my grandma.

  • KingBlackPower

    Sorry buffalo, the only way this works, is if the team moves to Niagara nFalls. Niagara Falls is directly in the middle of Toronto and Buffalo, nand that would bring inn the Canadian market without the team moving nthere. Expand the light rail to Niagara Falls, and give Rochester and nSyracuse residents 15% off for travel cost, problem solved. The NYC nbillionaire Millstein owns most of the land in downtown Niagara Falls, nand i'm sure he has been waiting for this type of opportunity, to nfinally do something with that land. Buffalo and Erie county cannot nsupport this team by itself, it's has to be a regional deal that brings nthe Canadian market into play. If the deal does not play out like that, nand you keep proposing buffalo sites, you will lose the team to LA or nToronto.

    • Glenn Nick

      Niagara Falls is not even close to in the middle of Toronto and Buffalo.....NIagara Falls USA is a dump and would make if more difficult for WNY fans to get to/enjoy the experience.....a new stadium will be built DT by the new casino or across the street from the existing OP location.

      • KingBlackPower

        Niagara Falls is a lot of a easier drive from Toronto, then going a extra 15-20 minutes into downtown(buffalo). Niagara Falls is a dump, but so is buffalo. What i am proposing is cheaper, and brings in the Canadian market. This a has to be sold as a regional deal in order to keep the team in WNY; placing the team in downtown Buffalo is selling the deal as if buffalo(the city) can support the team by itself, which is not possible. WNY fans to enjoy the experience? What is in buffalo so special? Niagara Falls(the falls) is the crown jewel of WNY, plus we have a much larger casino, that would be a few feet away from the site. Its either niagara falls or nothing; buffalo does not have the money to carry the bill for a new stadium.

        • Steve Stuarts

          What are you nuts? Niagara Falls is full of corrupt govt, chemical dumps, and dilapidated slums. Not to mention most of the people there are an embarrassment to our metro area. Downtown Buffalo is the ONLY sensible solution.

          • MatthewK

            Clearly the 50k ppl in the City of Niagara Falls are the lynch pin to the continued success of the Bills in WNY?

          • MatthewK

            He must be union...

          • KingBlackPower

            Yes the city(NF) government is corrupt, but in any case the state will be footing at least 80% of money needed for the project to stay in WNY. The state will be watching over the city government. The slums in NF are screaming for redevelopment, and the land can be bought for dirt cheap. Use the buffalo billion money to expand light rail system(not a train to nowhere) to NF, and the problem is solved. With the investments made, Canadians and other WNY's would have a lot to do other than just watch the game and leave.

          • ByTheNumbers

            You talk about "State" money like they have a money tree. It's still OUR tax dollars!!!!!!

      • Billsfn3

        Downtown Buffalo isn't a dump? The Falls makes lot of sense for a lot of reasons and it is closer to the Toronto market. The Buffalo waterfront has nothing near it but rotting old grain mills and SuperFund sites. Nothing that would keep fans from getting in their cars after games and driving home..which would completely nagate the local economic effects of putting it in downtown Buffalo. Niagara Falls is a dump but the Falls is a world class asset that could be a great match with the stadium and get fans to come early and stay around after games

        • MatthewK

          And to the left is Canalside..one of the largest investments this area has seen in decades and is finally starting to take off nicely. Straight ahead is the the beginnings of Pegulaville..with hotel, retail space to boot..followed by the casino, a second freshly renovated building with hotel and retail and the creamery building that's being renovated as well. But it doesn't seem like it'd be a draw because of the rotting grain elevators which they're actually starting to reuse in a variety of different ways already. (Google RIVERWORKS. And the City of Night)nnSorry..Buffalo is Paris compared to Niagara Falls.

          • KingBlackPower

            LMAO!

          • gwgirl80

            Many of the people who are knocking Downtown Buffalo have not stepped foot in the area since the 80's and 90's, and they do not realize just how quickly the area has changed and is continuing with development. I used to live close to Downtown and every time I go visit my parents I'm amazed at the small retailers that are popping up and they are thriving. Tim Horton's was smart and opened 2 locations in the Downtown area. The people who live and work downtown are middle class and upper middle class, they like to shop and eat, so it's only a given that more shops will be opening. The area is desirable and full of opportunity if people just invest the funds into the area and stop being afraid of the hundreds of pedestrians who are very present in the area all day long.

        • laldm109

          Have you been to Downtown Buffalo in the last couple of years?? There is tons of construction everywhere, middle-class people are moving in, nice restaurants are opening, most of the old decrepit warehouses have been renovated. It is miles ahead of NF, and quickly improving.

          There are a lot of older people that haven't been downtown in decades, and it won't be possible to change their outdated perceptions...but that's OK, since they'll be moving to Florida soon anyway. For the rest of us, it's becoming quite the hot spot.

    • The General

      I think you have a point. The best thing to do would be to completly level the entire Niagara Falls area. Buildings, houses, you name it, it gets leveled. If you lived there, find somewhere else to live. Build the stadium there and start to rebuild that city correctly. That's the only way a stadium in NF will work.

      • KingBlackPower

        Your right, level everything, niagara falls is screaming for redevelopment. This is a perfect opportunity to bring life and investment back to WNY.

    • ByTheNumbers

      Hey, at least that would get it out of Erie County and save some of my tax $$$.

  • Thomas Scott Sherry

    This would help conventions, hotels and restaurants ... This is what a downtown should be. The Cleveland NFL site should be a model. Retractable roof could be an option but I would hate to see it's overuse and a grass field would be great ...

    • Pseudo Hipster

      So I'm looking at a photo of whatever they are calling HSBC Arena. What exactly is preventing Buffalo from putting a convention center on the former spot of the Memorial Auditorium near said new arena?nnnProbably would be cheaper just as effective.

      • Ben

        since 2010 they have put about 10 mil in improvements into the convention center thats right down the road of the place's you are talking about so I dont think they will build a new one to move it about a half mile go downtown much?

  • Rich

    If you don't build it they won't come. And that my friends will save taxpayers a bundle. Reality is that Wilson will soon be dead and the Bills will be gone shortly after, no need for a committee.

  • zbubble

    I vote for the area where the Perry projects are now. It's within walking distance from Canal side, FNC, Harbor Center and the casino. You've got Metro access, the 190, Rt.5, and South Park as entrance and exit points.

    • W.T. Beef

      It would be a tight fit. The Perry Projects occupy 23 acres. The NFL's smallest stadium site in Seattle is 30 acres. The Cowboys and Giants stadiums occupy over 70 acres.

      • zbubble

        Well I wasn't speaking of just the area the projects occupy, more or less just the vacinity bounded by the 190 or Scott st. to the north, Chicago street to the West, and south park to the south. Could probably go as far east as Hamburg street. With the 190 exits right there as well as proximity to inner harbor, I just think it's ideal and makes more sense than the outer harbor.

        • W.T. Beef

          That would be a nice area for it. I hate the outer harbor idea.

          • Bob

            How about buy up the Seneca Tower AND the ball park and make an all purpose stadium there? You have the parking, the restaruants, and you don't have to evict someone from their home!

          • W.T. Beef

            Better yet, sell the ballpark to the Seneca's and let them build and own the stadium. Then the taxpayers wouldn't be on the hook for anything but infrastructure.

  • robert wendt

    where is the option for NO WHERE ?

  • Jack Nydahl

    i would nlike to see it downtown and incorporate the old train station as part of it.

  • Steven

    It really makes no sense to me why people say they want the Bills to move to another city. Someone please tell me how much the Bills cost the taxpayers ? It's just bitter people wanting to be trolls. The Bills belong in Western New York, but to me in the actual city of Buffalo. With all of the development as of late that will continue into the future years it makes perfect sense to add a beautiful stadium capable of holding a multitude of events. To be quite honest, anyone against this is against construction jobs, the Bills (for whatever reason), and the city of Buffalo. The money you say it "wastes" isn't going anywhere else. They're not going to just decide to add Billions to education reform. Some of you really speak like you're familiar with politics, and the economy but from reading your replies it is clear to see your not. The Bills are a economic boost to this area, and bringing them to Buffalo would just increase this boost as well as keep them around for generations to come. Buffalo doesn't need your negative, pessimistic attitudes that you carry around with you from the 70's to the 90's. This is turning into a new Buffalo, and everyone should embrace that. This is suppose to be the City of Good Neighbors which I completely agree with. Let's prove that and try to continue to make this a better place rather than a full of grumpy older folks that are against change. Lets Go Buffalo.

    • Truth Serum

      Yes and they make a very healthy profit, more than most businesses. Of course, they don't have to open their books to take a peek.

    • Washnfold

      "To be quite honest, anyone against this is against construction jobs, the Bills (for whatever reason), and the city of Buffalo."nnnnYou left out The Kids, The Troops, and Christmas. And I'm still against it.

      • Steven

        But why...?

        • Washnfold

          Largely because of what tickets will end up costing, and how the consequences of that will reshape the gameday experience. Look up how much PSLs are going to cost for the new stadium in Minnesota, it's ugly.

    • jwdundee

      The Bills cost the area millions in tax subsidies, millions in services like Sheriff's, EMS, Private Security, Vending, etc. Let's not forget the Millions of dollars worth of litigation the stadium has cost the county taxpayers over the years.

    • ByTheNumbers

      Steven -- hm-m-m. Must be Steven Casey!! I haven't read such a line of BS in a long time!!

    • Pseudo Hipster

      "Someone please tell me how much the Bills cost the taxpayers ? It's just bitter people wanting to be trolls."nnnWell lets think about this. They wanted 200 million to update the Ralph for six years......then probably a couple more hundred million for a brand new stadium.nnnI'm failing to see how they DON'T cause taxpayers money.nnYou know what would help Buffalo? Widespread access to fiber internet since thats the future of the economy. n

  • Matthew

    Build it on top of the old Republic Steel site off South Park Avenue, utilizing the expansive land for parking and other development. Failing that, build it across the river. Both have easy access to the 190, and Metro Rail could be easily expanded to serve them.

  • W.T. Beef

    Build an artificial island and put it in Lake Erie. Ralph Wilson Island stadium, theme park and resort would be a unique tourist destination. If Qatar can do it, so can we.

  • Josh Brewster

    Let's not screw this up again: DOWNTOWN is the ONLY place.

    • ByTheNumbers

      I agree!! Downtown LA would be good!!

  • WHAT?

    East side of Buffalo, near the Central terminal. Yup, it's a lousy neighborhood, or at least was. That's why it needs help. There certainly seems to be enough vacant land to make it work. Tie in rail lines, mass transit, and reuse of the terminal. Yes, this is a huge project. The time is long passed to either use the Central Terminal, or tear it down.

    • Bob

      Can we dodge bullets on the way to a game?

    • The General

      Philadelphia did that with their MLS stadium they built not to long ago. The stadium is wonderfully built and really nice to visit. However, the area it was built in is complete trash with little to no hope of turning around. The stadium has not been the catalyst they thought it was going to be.nLook what the stadium in Orchard Park attracted. A couple bars on the corners. That's about it.

      • DontDriveAngry

        To be fair, the MLS stadium is pretty limited for use and standing alone it doesn't provide nearly as big an anchor as a major sport facility. Also, it probably didn't help that Philadelphia has a separate and distinct Sports Complex area that hosts all four of their major professional sports in the three structures.

        • Jeremy Bentham

          Been to Philly, there is no commercial, retail or hotel development around Philly's other stadiums. They anchor nothing. The facilities are surrounded by I-95, I-76, Meadow Lake, the Philadelphia Naval Yard and a warehouse - trucking company district. Fans rush in for a game and then rush out ASAP.

          • MatthewK

            I never understood why they did that..all three venues seems to be very new as well. I agree...area around it is super sketchy cross between Grant street, Fillmore ave and the steel mill warehouses. nn

          • robert wendt

            " Fans rush in for a game and then rush out ASAP."nJust like the Ralph in Orchard Park - they come they dump all their garbage on the ground instead of bringing garbage bags like civilized people - and then they bang the steering wheel , honk the horn and flip off as many as possible - while driving as fast as they can to leave the area.nnWith all this talk of a new stadium - WHAT are we going to do with Wilson Stadium ?.....leave it as a big eyesore ?

      • WHAT?

        Yup, It won't do much in terms of economic development. But then, there's no economic development in that area, and almost no neighbors to tick off. It's a pipe dream, but why not put the eyesore in an area of eyesores, and at least pretend we're trying? What's going on there is a bad joke. The idea of keeping the Bills is a pipedream, unless some NFL owners just decide they like having a team in Buffalo to beat up on, and are willing to forgo the money a larger tv market would bring.

  • Jess

    Please don't do what was done in Rochester- build the stadium in the ghetto. They did that with the soccer stadium and no one comes to games. They thought it would attract businesses but there is nothing but dilapidated homes on all sides, minimal parking, and nothing close by for pre or post game activities. The same goes for the baseball stadium in Miami as well as Atlanta. The Braves are moving to northern Atlanta because the ballpark currently is in a rough neighborhood and most of their fan base travels from north Atlanta. nnI think a downtown stadium is a pipe dream. As stated already it takes up to 2 hours on game day to leave The Ralph if everyone leaves at the same time. How and where are 40,000 cars going to park in the city and how will it change tailgating? I would think it would disappear.

    • rhmaccallum

      I have to agree. I think the Outer Harbor would be the ideal site if you could find a way to put enough roads in and enough parking.nI just don't see how that can be done.nIf you build where spectators have to depend on busses to get there and back...build it somewhere else.

    • JordanThen

      Downtown gets 40,000 workers every day....pretty sure parking wouldn't be a big deal.

    • apoorcitizen

      Longest time it ever took me to get home from Ralph was 40 minutes and I live in North Tonawanda. How do you go ? Thruway? Learn fastest was down Abbot rd. & back by Niagara Thruway.

    • El Kabong

      You won't have 40,000 cars going to a downtown stadium. You don't have 40K cars going to the current stadium either.

    • laldm109

      Over 70,000 people work downtown everyday and they all have places to park (or get there some other way). I'm pretty sure it can handle 40,000 people, no sweat.

  • Bob

    The waterfront would be nice. Maybe where the Guns N Roses concert was this year. Or maybe somewhere downtown? Or maybe Lancaster? Just make an all weather stadium for all sports so its not used for nine games a year. Maybe bring concerts and events back to the stadium too!

  • Bob

    Instead of being pessimistic and saying the Bills should just leave, maybe you should put down your Colts mug, take off your Patriots sweatshirt and stop bitching about what is going to happen when Ralph dies. The team will stay after Ralph dies. You have so many backers it's sick. Former Bills, politicians, etc.

    • The General

      Are all the former bills and politicians going to buy enough season tickets to fill the stadium? When Ralph dies, the team will be sold and most likely moved. The new owner will receive a new stadium in a climate that's probably warm where they can sell corporate box seats at a premium. Also, the new owner will probably be able to sell PSLs (personal seat license) for a good dollar. If you don't know anything about PSLs, they are a license that you buy just to have the opportunity to buy a season ticket. Minnesota is charging $4,500 - $9,500 for licenses in the lower bowl. Dallas has people pay $150,000 for a single seat license. Do you honestly think someone in Buffalo is going to be paying anywhwere near that?

      • ByTheNumbers

        We can only hope that they move!,!

    • Pseudo Hipster

      "The team will stay after Ralph dies"nnnYean and Islanders fans thought the Isles would stay forever as well....didn't happen....

      • El Kabong

        The Islanders are moving 22 miles to Brooklyn, still in the same metro region.

        • WHAT?

          Yeah, only a couple of hours away by mass transit or traffic jam.

          • El Kabong

            40-50 minutes in reality, hours in your imagination

  • jwest

    Mayor Brown you have to be kidding me. He doesn't know were millions of dollars went from HUD and he Chaired the Committee. He sit there when Channel News interview him and said he was unaware of any of this until Channel News reported the story. He sits there with this stupid look on his face. He is the Mayor the last time I looked its his job to know what is going on and he going to be on a commity to look into a new stadium. He cant find the REST ROOM

  • DontDriveAngry

    I remember in '87 our Niagara Falls elementary school teachers had us write letters to the Ghermazian Brothers Development group begging them to build a Megamall in downtown Niagara Falls. That...didn't work. Maybe if try it again, this time will be different?

  • violinjim .

    Quite the pipe dream, this is but what the heck. I say stick it in Lackawanna on the sight of the old steel mills. Plenty of space to work with, you could run the lite rail across the harbor, folks could travel by boat to the early season games, etc. Hotels might sprout up on the WATERFRONT and make use of that lovely view. And have everyone, NFL, NYS, Erie Co. all pitch in and clean up that brown site. While you're at it, throw down some more wind mills, tap into Geo Thermal to heat and power the place. Retractable roof for nice weather summer concerts, close it up (or open if it you don't like your opponents) in the nasty weather. Yes, I've thought about this a time or two.

    • Paladina

      I like the cut of your jib.

    • Mike

      A logical and reasonably intelligent post in a BN blog; who'd have guessed?

      • violinjim .

        Thanks! I liken the "News" to Pravda from back in the day but read the comment section to get the real truth about a story.

  • Frank Buxton

    San Antonio Is ready and waiting.

  • ucanthandlethetruth

    let's put it another way, if you can't buy a pair of shoes downtown, it's unlikely you can build a stadium there either....

    • laldm109

      You can buy a pair of shoes downtown...several places, actually...

  • ByTheNumbers

    Build it somewhere else, like maybe California !!!

  • Mickey

    You can buy the entire east side of Buffalo for what 5 parking spots in OP cost. Win-win!

  • Brian Anthon

    Too congested traffic wise downtown. No tailgating as we know it. Forget being able to save $ by parking in private lots. I say build it in Orchard Park, next to where the current stadium is.

    • Beezelbubba

      Yeah, we can demolish ECC to make room for it! Football uber alllles

    • Al

      And make the same mistake twice. I think not.

  • W.T. Beef

    Grand Island is the perfect location. It's close to Buffalo and Niagara Falls, easily accessible from Canada and there's plenty of space. Best part of all is they can jack up the bridge toll on game days to pay for it.

    • Shawn

      Yeah, I don't think so. They'd have to displace half of the residents to accommodate a stadium and the necessary facilities.

      • W.T. Beef

        Over a million people were displaced for China's Three Gorges Dam. The total population of Grand Island is only around 20,000. A few thousand people can't be allowed to stand in the way. It's their patriotic duty to relocate for the NFL.

        • violinjim .

          I like your idea but imagine the bridge traffic? Or how much they'd start charging to cross the bridge on game day? And forget living there. Oh, and the logical DWI checkpoints since you can't exactly get around the fact that there are only two ways on or off.

          • W.T. Beef

            When the Huntley Station is closed it would be an ideal location for a parking lot and ferry boat service.

          • WHAT?

            Um, I think the comment was tongue in cheek. You know, not serious? Like the whole idea of GI is dumb?

    • Jeff

      Like to see what all that traffic would look like on a two-lane bridge in December.

    • Paul Mezhir

      sadly, the two-lane east-west existing highway couldn't handle the volume and the tolls booths at either end would be like rubbing salt into a wound. If the infrastructure were already there, GI would be an ideal location.

    • Kenny Adamczyk

      That would be HUUUUGE!

  • CS Hunters

    This is a complete waste of money. Tell me what you're going to do with The Ralph first? What is it going to be used for and how will it be maintained? Once you figure that out then you can look for a location for a new Stadium. I'm not going to fund the Ralph maintenance. If someone wants a new stadium - they can fund it in a location that is not detrimental to the grown of this city, its waterfront and residents of this community.

    • Shawn

      You're seriously asking this question? They'd demolish it.

      • CS Hunters

        Great reuse. Let's pee more money down a rat hole. $100 million here, $100M there... Too bad it's our Tax Money. Demolish it - awesome option.

      • Pseudo Hipster

        "You're seriously asking this question? They'd demolish it."nnnWhat a waste of a perfectly serviceable stadium.

        • Shawn

          One could have said the same about several stadiums and arenas that are now gone. I'm not saying that it's right. I'm just saying that it's usually what's done.

          • Pseudo Hipster

            The Ralph is not a filthy multi use cookie. Just needs some TLC and updated luxury sweets. It should be fine.

          • El Kabong

            Luxury sweets, eh? Fowler's or Watson's?

        • El Kabong

          a 40 year-old stadium that has seen better days.

          • Pseudo Hipster

            I repeat. Lambeau Field is older. TLC and competency will update the Ralph.

          • El Kabong

            Lambeau also got a $300 million makeover in 2003, plus it's a revered icon in Green Bay. The Ralph would need at least $500 million to bring it up-to-date with the rest of the league, and you would still have it in the middle of nowhere. A new stadium is more cost-effective.

  • Ann Onimous

    Why don't we just estimate what a new stadium would cost, divide that number by the number of residents of Erie County then offer that amount to everyone who commits to stay in Erie County for seven years? nnI know I'd rather have the money than give it to out-of-state multimillionaires like welfare queen Ralph Wilson.

  • Bob

    Build it right at the end of the LaSalle parkway in Niagara.

  • John Mullins

    I say Batavia. Closer to Rochester and points East. Right off the Thruway. There are already a few motels/hotels for the track.

  • Steve S.

    You really believe Quomo? He's buying votes for his re-election. After he wins , he'll say what stadium?

    • violinjim .

      Exactly! Just like the current "roll back" or slow down of Common Core. It's all smoke and mirrors to get re-elected. Next think he'll do is tweak some minor part of the SAFE Act to try and pull the wool further over our eyes or get some more votes a (or lack votes for the other guy).

  • buffaboy

    how about outer harbor

    • ByTheNumbers

      How about Outer Mongolia!!

  • CATrzcinka

    There has never been a study by an independent researcher who showed that a major-level sports stadium is worth the money. Economists have various conjectures about why cities do this, most of which are variations on "political failure". Minor league stadiums are a different story but of course are much cheaper. Building a new stadium for the Bills is a huge waste of resources.

  • Bill G

    I wanted to select other, but it wouldn't represent the fact that "Other" means Los Angeles!

  • Eagle1970

    Stadiums can be structured as a sound investment if property organized and that means a lot more activity than one football team. It also requires that the NFL teams open their wallets to become major equity holders. The most economical all-weather stadium would be situate in Niagara Falls, NY. The reasons are quitensimple. The Bills are now located south of Buffalo about 20 miles in a rural area and considered to be a u201csmall market teamu201d by NFL standards even though the Buffalo-Niagara Falls Metropolitan Statistical Area, encompassing Erie and Niagara, has a population (2010 census) of 1,135,509, the second-largest metropolitan area in the state of New York. nnHowever, if the Bills moved north of Buffalo about 20 miles to Niagara Falls their demographic footprint is increased geometrically and suddenly the Bills become a u201cbig market teamu201d by NFL standards due to the inclusion of southern Ontario and Toronto. In addition, Niagara Falls is the most traveled-to destination point in the Americau2019s. 8,400,000 people visit the US side of the Falls every year. A stoneu2019s throw away is Ontario, Canada with a population of 13,000,000 people and Toronto, a city of nearly 6,000,000, is within 1.5 hours drive. Further, the Ontario Ministry of Finance projects the Canadian Golden Horseshoe along Lake Ontario to grow over the next 22 years, rising 34.4 per cent to 17.7 million by 2036 thus making a compelling argument for a Niagara Falls, NY location. The Bills will draw no matter the locale; however, in order to maximize franchise value non-football revenues from advertising, sponsorships, et al are dependent upon a large metropolitan areas and from that perspective, the key financing perspective, Niagara Falls is a superior locale by a significant margin.nnMike Rinella, Schenectady, NY, Niagara University, u201870

    • Dave

      I agree! With the new stadium in Niagara County, the Bills can target the Southern Ontario market without the yearly Toronto game.

      • WHAT?

        Cutting less than 15 minutes off the trip does that?

    • WHAT?

      Rural? have you been to the southtowns since you went to Niagara in '70? Or maybe you have a much different definition of rural than most people.

      • Dave

        What is south of Orchard Park? ....Nothing! ...Niagara County is the best geographic site.

  • Mr.Snooks

    Locate it between the new Peace bridge and the new high speed rail terminal. lol

    • PHure1958

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  • jpaq68

    Unless the Bills get something locked up in writing before Ralph Wilson dies (stop fooling yourselves, this is coming very soon) and the team is sold, the point is moot. A new owner could buy the team just to relocate it. If the NFL couldn't stop the Browns from packing up shop and moving to Baltimore, they damn sure won't be able to stop the Bills from moving either.nBesides, Cuomo is just showboating for votes, anyways. I wouldn't believe him if he told me that snow was cold.

    • Buffalo Shark

      Ralph really should sell before he dies. I'm pretty sure the capital gains tax will be less than the estate tax

      • Buzz saw

        Thats what I want to hear my tax accountant say, Im pretty sure you wont go to jail for this.....

    • Mark Schaffer

      We have a buyout clause in the lease ... relocation fee is now $400,000,000 - add that to the NFL's relocation fee, the money to build another stadium in the new city and the cost of actually purchasing the team and suddenly keeping the team here starts sounding like a real good idea at least for now.

      • J. Lewis

        Think of how much cash a new owner could get from the TV contract, the selling of personal seat licenses and whatever the new city is willing to kick in... The TV contract for the NFL is about 7 BILLION dollars so that works out to about 200 MILLION per year, per team! That's the reason each teams value has risen so fast.nnnThe Jets and the Giants and the Cowboys raked in a ton of money from selling PSL to fans. So a new owner could make up most of that 400 million before he even sold a ticket, a beer or a hat. nnnAnd WHO in Buffalo is going to be able to afford the Bills? Seriously, you;re talking some big money and even bigger if the team can move to a larger TV market. This will be different than any other sale, because the team will be sold because the owner died and his family does not want the team. So don't expect the head office to come in and look at anything but the bottom line.nnnHey, I love the Bills but I am not Willy Wonka, I'm not going to sugar coat the answer to make it easier to swallow. There is a real good chance that when Wilson dies, the team will move.

        • Pseudo Hipster

          "Think of how much cash a new owner could get from the TV contract, the selling of personal seat licenses"nnEven if the team stays in Buffalo a reason to fix the Ralph would be a lack of personal seat licenses.

      • jpaq68

        Not really. The buyout clause in the lease becomes significantly less expensive in year seven. If you take into account any time Old Man Wilson has left and the time it would take to find a suitable site for a new stadium elsewhere and the time to build it, seven years sounds just about right.

      • Pseudo Hipster

        "We have a buyout clause in the lease ..."nnWelcome to the modern world of professional league sports. There is always a secret out. nnThen again this is the same media market that bought the hilarious untrue to non idiots threat of relocation to Hamilton, Ontario.

  • Justin P. Garrett

    I think you're forgetting that William Street is the emergency exit road for downtown Buffalo, very wide streets all throughout - Main Street will be viable past Tupper, Broadway St goes DIRECTLY to the thruway and Delaware has always been an easy to navigate Street. Add in the thousands of fans going in the opposite direction back to Canada and I cannot see how anyone would want the stadium anywhere but downtown. Keep it out of the suburbs, that's not how you get people to spend money AFTER a game, downtown Buffalo will make tons of money, as well as surrounding neighborhoods (elmwood village et al). Bringing revenue into your State's 2nd largest city and not stealing it away to towns with dreams of relevance.

    • ptato22

      Well said, Justin. Bring in a winner as well and the folks will be dying to go out before/after the game. While it's fun to party in huge parking lots, let's move into the 21st century and have interesting places for the fans to hang out together and support the local businesses.

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    • MaoSayTongue

      Mr Millstein, is that you?

  • AGM1

    Bailey and Kensington is in need of a major reconstruction. nnnOr, bring it back to the old" Rockpile" area . The Medical corridor is there to provide the "True Medical Care" we keep gettin jamed down our throats on TV! Afterall, no player will get better care faster than being right in the heart of the UB Roswell Kaledia SCope Kare corridor. Still a major Ralph requirement 45 years later!!!

  • Mark Schaffer

    Well ... it would be nice to keep it where it is but it really needs to be downtown and if another stadium is built that's where it's going. The block of Perry between Michigan and Washington right in front of FNC would seem ideal (a sea of nothing but parking lots) ... if the footprint isn't too big it might work but putting it in the Outer Harbor location I saw being discussed last summer is very bad idea. Domed or not, the waterfront is NOT where you want this thing mostly because of the lack of roadways in or out - traffic would be a nightmare from hell not to mention the harsh winter winds we would have to deal with down there late in the season. There are other locations close to or right downtown that are possibilities that would work way better but either way - if they build it (and someday they'll have to if the Bills are to stay here) - it goes downtown or close to it.

    • Pseudo Hipster

      Oh boy downtown. So now outside Bills fans can look forward to getting shot in addition to the Bills blowing games.nnnFix the damn Ralph.

      • Molson Cree

        grow up "hipster" and stay home... you getting shot would just be a benefit for the rest of us.

    • Ben

      where are you going to find parking for 90,000 people downtown and then roads to get out after the game

  • stevesteffens

    You don't offer Toronto as an option.

  • Big Frank

    Build it next to Brian Higgins' house.

  • Pseudo Hipster

    Nowhere. Fix the Ralph.

  • Kurt

    On the shoreline south of the city won't work, not enough roads. Downtown, maybe, but a major image problem....no night games for me. And, not only a stadium footprint required, need major parking as well. the Sabres infrastructure is to small to handle a full NFL stadium crowd.....a factor of 6 off. Niagara and Batavia like appeal some, but, in all likelyhood, this is a political exercise. Likely Mr Wilson's estate will sell, and the new owner will move (but honor the current lease) Toronto will not get the team, it has essentially zero following in Canada...forget the regional bs. (other than those that like to party at the Ralph) Most likely outcome is the loss of the franchase in at the end of the lease, however that plays out.

    • Dave

      Because Kurt is afraid of the dark, lets not build a stadium downtown.

      • Kurt

        Not afraid of the dark (with my carry permit) I just can't use it at an NFL game.

        • Molson Cree

          You're not afraid of the dark... yet you carry a gun.... LMAO Oh the bad guys are out to get you... WIMP.

  • Buzz saw

    Locate it by the old Central Terminal. Rehab the rail lines and let people take the train to the game.

    • MaoSayTongue

      Not enough space; contaminated land

      • WHAT?

        Once stood? Does that mean nothing can ever be built on that site again?

        • MaoSayTongue

          Actually, yes. It's an historic site I think. Preservationists have wet dreams about rebuilding it. I think it was the Larkin Office Building.

  • MaoSayTongue

    The old Union Shipyards between Buffalo and Lackawanna. This land is owned 50/50 by the two cities and has economic/political stuff (enterprise zone or something) that can get projects fastracked there.nnBuilding anything INSIDE the City of Buffalo is a wholly corrupt enterprise from beginning to end: palms need greased every step of the way and every fringe interest group needs mollified. Why do you think everyone who builds (or talks about building) anything in Buffalo is a total scumball liar and fraud?

    • Al

      Hey mao, try using your real name when you're sugarcoating your garbage. You are a piece of work.

      • MaoSayTongue

        Name one "builder" in the City of Buffalo who is not a crook.

  • MaoSayTongue

    Congress and the Legislature could easily pass laws excusing the Wilson family from all estate taxes related to the Bills franchise so long as the team stays in WNY.nnEstate taxes would be deferred until the team is moved--kinda like an IRA.

    • WHAT?

      Team could easily pass to his much younger wife with no estate taxes involved. (Spouses don't pay any.) Apparently, though, she has no interest in running the team, and there have been past instances where a widow running a team has been a disaster. There doesn't really appear to be an alternative to the team being sold when Ralph dies.

      • MaoSayTongue

        Ralph doesn't have a wife. Does he?

  • MaoSayTongue

    We need a hot chick to seduce and marry Ralph Wilson--spouse doesn't pay estate tax.

    • Jan Reimers

      Ralph is already married.

      • MaoSayTongue

        I thought his wife died . . . did he remarry?
        If he's married, all this estate tax stuff is pure BS.

        • Jan Reimers

          Ralph has been married to his second wife, Mary, for quite some time. She is about 30 years his junior.

  • MaoSayTongue

    There's nothing wrong with Rich Stadium.

    • William Kyriakakos

      I totally agree, especially with how it will look next year with the new improvements

  • Dave

    Niagara County; In the vicinity of the NF airport and former Summit Mall. Alot of unused space there.

  • Miller’s friend.

    how about up ralph wilson arse.

  • Mr.Snooks

    It would be great if there was a real team to play in the stadium we have.

  • Richard Moore

    Build it by the Central Terminal, utilizing the space as the largest indoor tailgating venue, plus it is easy to build access roadway connections to the I-90 & 190, nit to mention rail service as people movers to downtown or airport + suburbs (replacing Depew Amtrak back to Ceentral Terminal stop on way to downtown etc. It will provide a cityscape view, while continuing momentum of Larkinville & rebuilding the east side. could save everything from the Broadway market to reusing theses old churches........

  • Eagle1970

    Rural is rural and I guess contextual. In any case no way any feasibility study can
    ignore 13,000,000 people and a population in growth mode that is adjacent to a
    quality site. The answer is quite simple; go “big” or no Bills…they’re going “big” whether it is Niagara Falls, LA or another growing market.

    The real answer is where a stadium will locate and under what conditions will generate the most economic activity. Again the answer is simple, Niagara Falls. The best condition is to make a stadium part of a 2024 Summer Olympic binational bid which would invigorate the entire western NY region economically and provide a long-term tenant for the stadium unlike Beijing and Sochi, a key feature in stadium finance.

  • Miller’s friend.

    the news censored my last comment. no way no how should ralph and company get another dime from taxpayers.

    • Delguy64

      They censored mine too. No profanity. Is this a fact free site?

      • Miller’s friend.

        i used no profanity but the liberal rag known as the buffalo news didn't like my comment so they removed it. even the metro community news doesn't do what the news does.

  • Chuck N

    I chose "Other." There should be another choice for just letting the team go (best scenario to Toronto) if keeping it involves further public money subsidies. Its time to ween the Buffalo Bills (and the whole NFL) of the welfare rolls. Not too mention, Cuomo is likely to use the any stadium contribution as a large chuck of the mythical "Buffalo Billion." Let the BS Games begin.

    • William Kyriakakos

      if you don't care about the Bills leaving, they you shouldn't even bother posting about them and not give them any space in your head

  • Sixsigma

    The Lancaster Speedway off NYThru would be a great site....great access for Rochester and Canadian , plus it could be used by UB , Canisus
    As well as Rochester Univ schools and it would help with funding from Monroe County. New exits could easily be built off NY Thru as well as the Outer Loop of Buffalo could finally get completed generating many new jobs.....Train service could also easily be added from Buffalo as well as Rochester....y

  • Ben

    if it where built downtown I would never go to another game again getting out now is a pain just imagine leaving from downtown you would be there all night

  • MemeMutator

    Anywhere but Buffalo, unless they fund it themselves. Besides, if they really want an SB championship, let them leave... Buffalo is Loserville and they'll never get one as long as they stay there.

    • Delguy64

      And you know this how? I've got news for you folks. Any stadium built in the USA in any sport uses a lot of tax payer money. Whether it's tax breaks or outright bond $$$$$, the owners are making out like bandits. I love the Bills, but face it. If you want them to stay, we will pay. Corporations have the deck stacked.

    • Jeremy Bentham

      You are here and you are a perfect example of the loser mentality that dominates the comments. I'll bet you are an Ayn Rand "cry me a river" devotee.

      • MemeMutator

        Buffalo needs to move beyond men chasing an inflatable ball... the area does not have the wealth to support such... decadence

  • Rodney Copperbottom

    Easily Niagara County. As much as many people would be against it (ie: Orchard Park & city of Buffalo), it could be a viable way to combine the two most major & recognizable cities in our region as well as give people a reason to come to Niagara County. There's so much land available for development, and could easily build up from there (hotels, commercial businesses... etc).

  • Terrier1

    Los Angeles...or Toronto...or anywhere else where there is a large enough population to make this work w/o bankrupting the local community.

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