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T.J. Graham, Jeff Tuel, Doug Legursky among Bills cuts; team signs a punter

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Two years ago, the Buffalo Bills traded up to draft receiver T.J. Graham.

Today, they waived him.

Graham was the most notable roster move the Bills made to reduce their roster to 53 players by the 4 p.m. deadline.

Buffalo's other cuts were quarterback Jeff Tuel, receiver Caleb Holley, offensive linemen Doug Legursky and Antoine McClain, defensive ends Ike Igbinosun and Bryan Johnson, linebacker Jimmy Gaines and defensive backs Kenny Ladler and Deon Broomfield.

The club also announced it signed quarterback Kyle Orton and punter Colton Schmidt.

The Bills, enamored with his Olympic-caliber speed, drafted Graham 69th overall in 2012. He was the 15th receiver off the board in a draft class that featured a few busts. The New York Jets released second-round pick Stephen Hill today.

But Graham will be known as a luxury item for a team that needed so much more core work. Six slots after the Bills took him, the Seattle Seahawks drafted quarterback Russell Wilson. Later in the third round, the Philadelphia Eagles selected quarterback Nick Foles.

Three slots after the Bills took Graham, the Miami Dolphins selected defensive end Olivier Vernon, who recorded 11.5 sacks last season.

Graham started 11 games his rookie season under previous coach Chan Gailey and caught 31 passes for 322 yards and a touchdown.

Graham's involvement waned last year with new coach Doug Marrone. The Bills drafted another speedster, Marquise Goodwin, and Graham started only six games. He had 23 receptions for 361 yards and two touchdowns.

This preseason, he had five catches for 66 yards. He averaged 23.4 yards on five kickoff returns and 7.0 yards on a team-high 11 punt returns.

  • PJR

    Too many drops for graham.....goes down as another draft bust...one of the many

    • Sweet Pea

      Gott'a love his speed thou, but I agree to many drops and not aggressive enough in the return game.

      • MaoSayTongue

        If he had a good QB--like Glennon . . ..

        • Cannibal King

          He dropped a lot of Glennon's passes at NC State. He was one dimensional then and now.

    • MaoSayTongue

      Wait till you see him catching passes from Mike Glennon.

  • Bob

    It's always the same. A draft called "great" by the Bills goes in the crapper a couple years later.

    • Paul Kawalerski

      That's right; CJ Spiller, Marcel Darius, Goodwin, Kiko, Cordy Glenn, etc... None of them have worked out? Do you really think no other team's draft turn out to be busts?

      • Polish Prince

        EJ Manuel, Mike Williams, JP Losman, Aaron Maybin, Leodis McKelvin, Tom Cousineau, Eric Flowers, John McCargo Perry Tuttle, Tony Hunter Stephon Gilmore, Tom Rudd, Phil Dokes, Booker Moore, Terry Miller, Walt Patulski, Rueben Gant, Paul Seymour etc...

        Jeesh! How many teams, other than Buffalo have had so many busts or under-achievers at #1, all the time, in every decade? It helps explain Buffalo's historic losing record as an NFL Franchise.

        And now the Bills traded away their #1 in 2015...but will anyone notice?

        • randyJ23

          Over that period of time - almost every team has had a bunch of busts. McKelvin and Gilmore are starters in this league, and would be on many teams. Do you even think about what you are saying? If Gilmore was cut today I bet there would be 25 waiver claims on him.
          I also don't understand your concern over trading the draft pick. If the Bills do such a bad job, why do you care if they trade them away?
          Are you ready to cut Watkins yet? I mean, he has shown us nothing...

          • Polish Prince

            Gilmore and McKelvin can't cover their own shadows and are under-performers. Neither was worth a 1st round pick. If traded, they would garner a 5th or 6th round pick, at best in return

            And no Brainiac, I don't want to cut Watkins. It would be nice though if he played for a team that had an NFL QB so we can see how high he will rise.

          • Cannibal King

            The Bills have an NFL QB now, but he will be watching from the sidelines of course. Wouldn't want to upset lil EJ now would we? Orton is an over the hill back up, but I would think he's got 3 more wins in him than the doofus he's going to be watching. 7 wins might happen with a healthy Orton firing on all cylinders. But, he'll be watching while Whaley devises more ways to outsmart himself.

          • randyJ23

            Well, Gilmore was a consensus top half of the first round pick, McKelvin was also a legit first rounder. But then those are just NFL GM's - not geniuses like you. And again, I bet most of them would love to have either of those guys on their team.
            Did you call the GM's to get their opinion of what they would trade for these guys, or you are just that smart? If only the Bills had hired you when they were looking for a GM...

          • rome middlesex

            Watkins will be on IR if ej keeps throwing him the ball

        • Rollo Tomassi

          No offense, but, if those are the only busts you can name since Walt Patulski in the early 70's, I will take it.

          • Polish Prince

            LOL those are FIRST ROUND BUSTS [all 19 of them]...I didn't even look at rounds 2-7

            You must be one of those guys still sitting in the stands in the 4th Quarter of a Bills blow out loss, who stands up and cheers when the Bills get a meaningless first down with 30 seconds to go.... have fun it's a free country.

          • Rollo Tomassi

            Why not list all the picks that worked out?

            Just for argument sake,

            You must be one of those guys who only buys a ticket or wears a Bills T-shirt when they have won a few games.

            Ok...let's read your subjective,negative responses .

          • Polish Prince

            Nope ...still have by Flutie jersey. You must have been a Rob Johnson fan

          • Rollo Tomassi

            Hardly!

          • Polish Prince

            Well at least we agree on one thing

          • Rollo Tomassi

            Actually we agree on allot of points.

          • MaoSayTongue

            Fruitie PURPOSEFULLY threw high to Thurman--to end his career.

          • Polish Prince

            Are you drunk?

          • MaoSayTongue

            You must be one of the fans who left in the first quarter of that 1995 Houston playoff game--only to cry when they wouldn't let you back in.

          • Polish Prince

            Hey meatball, the Oilers "Come-Back" game was played in 1993. Here's a tip: when you are trying make a tough guy comment, know what the helll you are talking about

            And no I wasn't at the game. I was scuba diving in the Caribbean that weekend but watched every minute at the Hotel bar. Then I went to the Super Bowl 4 weeks later in Pasadena and paid $975.00 for 2 tickets to watch the 52-17 blow-out loss to Dallas.

            Where were you, in your Mom's basement?

          • MaoSayTongue

            I paid $1500 each that year for two 40 yard line seats in Pasadena--took my brother. You must've had crappy lowbred endzone seats.

            (95 was a typo) During that game, watching in my apt, I consumed a 2-litre box of wine and proceeded to passout on my way to the bathroom. I puked and pissed myself and laid in it until I sobered up a little. I had to defecate too, and did that on my own; the turd was solid and didn't make a mess. But it was all good.

          • Cannibal King

            Hahaha...

          • Polish Prince

            Way to show to dignity and fortitude during that game...did you rob a 7-11 to buy the tickets?

          • MaoSayTongue

            No 7-11 ever has $3000 in the registers. And, as we all know, "Employees do not have access to the safe."

            I just wrote a check--didn't even check my account first. I've never even felt the need to balance my checkbook--since I never run out of money.

          • rome middlesex

            hahaha I love it lmao

        • Paul Kawalerski

          Last time I checked EJ Manuel, Leodis McKelvin, and Stephon Gilmore were still starting for the Bills. But I guess you thought if you made a bigger list you would seem like you won the argument. I wouldn't want to confuse you with the facts. Your argument could be made with just about every team in the NFL. 1st round busts happen all the time. But, you seem to think the Bills are the only team that they happen to. Next time do a little objective research before you make a post. And don't try to pad your stats with players who are current starters on the Bills roster.

          • Polish Prince

            Paul:

            I grouped EJ Gilmore and McKelvin in the "underachiever" bracket. None of the 3 have been consistently great or even good. None were worthy of a First round pick in the NFL draft.

            And i don't care about other teams. That said, evrey other team drafted well enough to either win their Division of go to the play-offs in the past 14 years. Nuff said.!

      • Bob

        I'll let their record for the last 15 years speak for itself.

      • rome middlesex

        look up some drafts when u get a chance an look at some of the players the bills could have drafted , u may change ur mind,,,,, here are sum examples? kaepernick, jj watt, gronkowski............. that's jus the beginning

    • Lloyd M. Jr.

      You have to wonder... how do the people at One Bills Drive evaluate talent?

      • rome middlesex

        combine measurables..... remember whaley comparing ej 2 cam newton size wt height 40 times lol hes no cam newton its not taking cam 5 yrs to figure it out....... still waiting on the it factor doug

  • Celtic Tiger

    So who's currently responsible for scouting and evaluating talent prior to the draft? Is it the same collection of incompetents that passed on Wilson, Foles and oh so many more? The BIlls could do better throwing darts at names. Oh wait, that's their current process for selecting talent.

    • Paul Kawalerski

      And your professional experience is what. Which players would you have kept?

      • Cannibal King

        Oh, here we go with the "professional experience" garbage. It's a blog for armchair GMs just like you... and Tiger and me... and even Rollover. It's entertainment, man. Get over yourself... it's just a little fun.

        • Paul Kawalerski

          That's why I asked for his opinion - Jag-Off

          • Rollo Tomassi

            Your observations must be spot on to get him worked up.

            Next will be the name calling.

          • Lloyd M. Jr.

            See another posting two days ago where Rollo calls another poster an "idiot."

          • Rollo Tomassi

            So many idiots...so little time!

          • Cannibal King

            Now, now... temper. No need for nasty name calling, sweetheart.

        • Rollo Tomassi

          It is fun!

          Seriously,bantering back and forth is a good time

          (Except with BH..he is mean,nasty and a racist,elitist pig..and Lloyd is an idiot.)

          • Lloyd M. Jr.

            I know that Rollo is the idiot; what am I?
            (BTW: How's that big bag of Rollos I left with your mama?)

          • Rollo Tomassi

            Lloyd calling me an idiot!

            Priceless!...you put me on ignore!... How did you read this?

            Did you miss me?

      • Celtic Tiger

        Oh, right. The professionals who chose T.J. and a host of others before him are beyond criticism, professional or otherwise? Look at the team in place, moron. That's what I was commenting on as have most of the commenters here. This team's years in the making not just one draft. So drop the Bud can and loosen your Bills t-shirt.

        • Rollo Tomassi

          Perfect example!

        • Paul Kawalerski

          Actually, I think the team in place is a pretty talented group. The problem is, if you don't have a QB that can run it you're not gonna get very far. I think in the short term Whaley has done a pretty good job bringing in talent. But, again the QB situation could nullify all of that. The problem is, that when a team is struggling some morons want to blame every aspect of a team rather than objectively blaming the real problem. This team with a great QB could be contending for a SB. But, you would prefer to say the whole team is crap, and to me that is just ignorant.

          • Celtic Tiger

            Right. It all rests on the QB. Ignore the O line, the lack of depth, the questionable TE situation. Ignore the basically rookie (to the NFL) head coach, and O co-ordinator. And ignore the scouting and talent selection that brought us the current QB situation which, of course, management didn't anticipate needing real backup. You can certainly can say you're "Ignor-ant" about all these elements.
            Is there some talent on the team? Sure. C.J. , Fred J shows guts and leadership to name just two on the "O" side. Too soon to tell if Sammy W. is durable enough to make any difference. Is the "D" pretty strong? Sure. So have another Bud and paint your face blue and red. Maybe they'll score enough points to win.

          • Paul Kawalerski

            I guess some people enjoy living in the negative. Must suck to be you. But, what get's me is how you just make black and white pronouncements rather than evaluating the real situation. Coach Marrone has NFL experience OC of the Saints as well as a O-Line player. SO He's not exactly a rookie. The O-Line was addressed both in the draft and FA. It may not be where we would like it, but everything can't be fixed in 1 year. As far as a QB backup I definitely agree they should have taken care of this last year, but it's not like they haven't tried; Kolb, Palmer, and finally Orton. And I guess we won't mention the OTHER talent this team does have, Eric Woods, Mario, Darius, Kyle, Mike Williams, Spikes, Kiko, Cordy - shall I continue??? These are are talented players. But like I said, some people just want to focus on the negative - I'm not one of them.

          • Lloyd M. Jr.

            Instead of deriding people for , as you see it, "focus(ing) on the negative," try thinking a little about how these "negative" folks might actually have an outlook based on reality.

      • Rollo Tomassi

        It's the sarcasm that covers up the inability to add anything objective,let alone positve

    • Lloyd M. Jr.

      It's the same incompetent bunch that hires/signs questionably-qualified people for important positions such as GM or head coach.

    • randyJ23

      It looks like they did Ok with Seantrel Henderson. The draft is not that easy. I notice that you left off Hill, who was mentioned in the column, drafted ABOVE TJ and cut today. Why did the Jets do something so dumb? Oh, that's right, because draft picks don't always pan out the way you think they will.

      • Rollo Tomassi

        Very valid pionts

      • Celtic Tiger

        We're not talking about ONE draft. If you're so sold on the brain trust that scouts and the coaches since whenever, how about some data (courtesy of Polish Prince):
        Since 2001 the Bills are:

        3-13, 8-8, 6-10, 9-7, 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 7-9, 6-10, 4-12, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10....

        Since 1999: No Play-offs, at least 5 complete bust 1st Round Picks; and 6 New Head Coaches.

        • Cannibal King

          Yeesh... that's too much bad data to stomach at one time.

          • Polish Prince

            Unless you have an empty stomache...

        • rome middlesex

          head coaches aren't in charge of draft ........ doesn't anybody know this? lmao

          • Celtic Tiger

            Right. Coaches have no say or influence on the draft. (Sarcasm alert). Pro teams reflect a system. What's on the field is a result of that, and over years, a management system that's built on the cheap shows. NFL teams make money for their owners, win/lose, mediocre, great or lousy. Whoever winds up owning the Bills will make money. In Buffalo or elsewhere. The only question is what kind of quality will that owner invest in.

          • Lloyd M. Jr.

            "Pro teams reflect a system. What's on the field is a result of that, and over years, a management system that's built on the cheap shows."
            Ralph Wilson's "system" proves how right you are, Tiger.

          • rome middlesex

            Manuel was whaleys pick, Marrone wanted Nassib in later rounds because he could have stepped right in an ran Offense (reality alert) I apologize for doing that somehow I really feel immature ... final say n these picks are the gms. I hope new owners shake everything up. ive never been so negative b4 the first game in my life GO BILLS

        • randyJ23

          The current regime has ONE season - ONE - on which to judge them. And it is pretty hard to tell anything from one season in this league. Give me a break.

      • Buffalo Fan

        they did okay with Cordy Glenn last year too.

        • rome middlesex

          he was drafted by buddy nix

      • rome middlesex

        ej manuel is solid

    • cheektowaga

      Watkins seems to have glass ribs…but the farm is gone & TJ will be OK will be VERY good on a team with an NFL quarterback…Pats will surely pick him up…F>>>!

    • rome middlesex

      doug whaley

  • Paul Kawalerski

    The signing of Colton Schmidt could be a big deal. Morrman had one of the worst Net Avg. in the league last year. He looked terrible during preseason this year. I'm a little bit disappointed in Tuel's cut. Glad Legursky is gone. Another dead weight on the team, like Branch. The roster looks pretty good, just need production at QB.

    • Odell

      Maybe they'll try to get Tuel onto the practice squad, there's still a lot of roster juggling that gets done into the first week or two of the regular season.

  • BuffBooster

    I'll reiterate the points I made in a post to the Sully column: Signing Orton is a good move. He's a vet who should be able to assimilate a new offensive scheme faster than some rookie or a QB with less actual game experience. Plus, as a guy who's been around, he can mentor E.J. and calm him down so Manuel can see the field better & go through his reads more efficiently. That's what the pros call "slowing the game down."
    And it won't necessarily create a QB controversy by bringing Orton in for certain situations and might serve to lessen the pressure on E.J. on occasion while simultaneously confusing the opponent's defense. This concept could work without destroying Manuel's confidence. In fact, E.J. might even welcome the idea. And it'll keep Orton sharp in case Manuel gets dinged-up.
    Further, Orton can bring some stability to the sidelines and lift guys up when challenging situations arise. I can tell you that I'm not surrendering or waving any white flags. In pro sports, as in life, when you start thinking like that, you're toast.
    The Bills have a solid defensive line that can wreak MAJOR havoc, especially against better overall teams that think they can take the week off against Buffalo. Keep an open mind, as this team has some good athletes and crazy stuff happens in the NFL every week. And, if the "D" can come up with big plays as they did often last season, who knows? They still have to play the games and this can be a season where the cream rises to the top in terms of the players the team will keep for the future.
    However you slice & dice it, it's always best to give it your best shot and let the chips fall where they may. And the building of character by assuming that attitude will carry forward as the franchise attempts to construct a successful team to be reckoned with. I mean, you have to start somewhere. And if you fold your hand before the game even starts, what'll that get you? Answer: major nada.

    • randyJ23

      You are way too positive for the bottom feeders that roam here. They will pound you for having an ounce of perspective. It sounds like you have been around and watched football for more than a year or two.

      • Rollo Tomassi

        Good Post!.....Spot On!

      • Polish Prince

        Here's some perspective for you, Since 2001 the Bills are:

        3-13, 8-8, 6-10, 9-7, 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 7-9, 6-10, 4-12, 6-10, 6-10, 6-10....

        Since 1999: No Play-offs, at least 5 complete bust 1st Round Picks; and 6 New Head Coaches.

        Bills fans are justifiably fed up with mediocrity and can voice displeasure, especially after this BS Preseason, and the pathetic QB merry-go-round.

        The real bottom feeders are the deluded few who accept mediocrity for the Bills while wearing rose colored glasses and waiving their pom poms.

        • mariob195

          Well said Prince......

        • Jim Belina

          9 losing seasons in a row, looking to be 10. How sad.

        • Buffalo Fan

          I know, we should totally be less realistic about the team because 15 years ago a totally different group of losers lost, then again 10 years ago, and again 5 years ago.

          Different: 1)owner 2)GM 3)Head Coach 4)OC & DC 5) roster.

        • rome middlesex

          TY an these supposed fans that call any commenter bottom feeders because of the reality of this lingering situation , obviously work 4 the Bills an they realize their time is up .... ty 4 your service an leave the commenting to real BILL FANS ty an Happy Hannukah

          • Polish Prince

            :)

        • Lloyd M. Jr.

          We agree on something, Prince... the Buffalo Bills front-office folks operate like people who can't find their (rear end)s if you gave them a GPS.

    • Art Vandelay

      Agreed that signing Orton was a positive move, but the timing of it just smacks of desperation. Why wait so long, and release both backup QBs from last years roster? Marrone and company knew what they had, and suddenly decide in the span of slightly over a week to release both of them, as well as a 3rd QB they brought in? Sounds like a staff that's in over their heads who can't properly evaluate talent.

      Regarding Manuel; having a vet to mentor him will certainly help, and it should have done last season. As for going through his reads more efficiently, he needs to start going through his reads PERIOD and stop staring down primary receivers from the start of plays. He did the same thing at Florida State, so no one has been able to teach him not to do it to this point. Teaching only goes so far, you can't teach accuracy or having an NFL arm (I don't see the latter in him personally). I wouldn't be shocked at all to see Orton starting at some point during the season, maybe sooner than later. The Bills are deep at receiver (hence the cutting of Graham, who was all speed and no hands) and have a quality pass catching tight end. Wasting that talent would be criminal.

      The defense will come up with big plays, but will be giving them up also being rather soft at the corner positions. They should be a lot better against the run than last season, or at least they should be.

      • Buffalo Fan

        True that about the timing. They already knew what they had in Tuel and Lewis, why wait soooo long to cut bait?

      • rome middlesex

        why did it take so long to address qb situation?

        • Lloyd M. Jr.

          As the saying goes: "Too soon old; too late smart." Hopefully, the next owner infuses some urgency in a newly-crafted front office.

  • Cannibal King

    To all you out there that called me nasty names when I said Michael Sam was drafted in the 7th round for purely playing ability reasons... One word, "cut."

    • Lloyd M. Jr.

      I found out about that on Yahoo. Maybe he can learn from this experience, take steps to improve himself and his play, and land somewhere else in the NFL(or CFL) later on.

      • MaoSayTongue

        He should play soccer.

    • Buffalo Fan

      My guess is you would have said the exact same comment - sans the last three words - if he made the team?

      • Cannibal King

        No, not really. Without the last three words the comment doesn't mean the same thing.

  • Chazer

    The train wreck continues.....every team in the NFL knows you need a QB except for the rocket scientist at one Bills Drive.

    • Lloyd M. Jr.

      Hopefully, new ownership will see to it that these eggheads are replaced by people who actually have a CLUE about assembling an NFL team!

      • Jim Belina

        Maybe the new owners can get Tebow signed to the team? Hahaha just kidding...

        • Lloyd M. Jr.

          "Maybe the new owners can get Tebow signed to the team?"
          Capital idea! No kidding or sarcasm about it; it just makes straight-up sense.

          • Jim Belina

            No, no it doesn't. Sorry Lloyd, but it just doesn't make sense. Now go home.

          • Lloyd M. Jr.

            Only a daft mind would decry signing Tebow as "making no sense."

      • Buffalo Fan

        I'm not decided, but its starting to look like this group may not be the one. I give them two full seasons with EJ before I make any conclusions.

        • rome middlesex

          2 more wasted years oh that's cool

    • randyJ23

      Which of the outstanding QBs sitting on the market right now are you so enamored with? The Bills know they need a QB, but what do you expect them to do about it at this point? Yes, they could have drafted one. But EJ played well enough to deserve a chance this year. Historically QBs take time to develop. The Andrew Lucks and Russell Wilsons are rare. Looking back on it, I bet the Bills wish they had done something different, but it isn't like they didn't have other holes to fill, too. Either way, they would not have had a different QB ready to play next Sunday. They thought they needed to give EJ time. He has continued to look good in practices over the summer and fall - so I think they were hopeful. My guess is that hope is waning - but again, what can they do about it at the moment? It isn't like the coach is sitting there saying all is well. He isn't. But he is realistic about what can be done at the moment.

      • Cannibal King

        I see EJ falling into the trap that impatient talent developers thrust 1st round QBs into. He needs to sit and learn. Forcing him into a role he isn't yet prepared for just turns him into another failed QB stat. I like your words "at the moment." I think that IS THE compelling argument. Who's the better QB right now? Not physically, not upside, not in practice... who's going to win games... the only true measure of success.

        • Kenny Adamczyk

          I'm afraid that with EJ you have just another in a long line of college QBs who have all the physical tools and can make all the throws but lack one thing He doesn't have the mentality to adjust to the speed of the NFL. He's becoming another QB who throws check down passes because he can't see when a receiver will get open until it happens because of the speed in the NFL. A good QB can tell that if a receiver is running a seam route with a db covering him inside he can throw to his outside and get a completion. The time EJ's looked good was against teams with a poor secondary or a pass rush bad enough to give him extra time to sit and wait for plays to develop. So many QBs come out of college with tremendous physical skills but fail because of their lack of ability to adjust to the speed of the NFL.

      • ptato22

        Well said. We all need to give EJ a chance. He didn't really look too bad last year (except for the Jets game).

    • Buffalo Fan

      Cutting Tuel = addition through subtraction. You should be glad that guy is off the team.

      • Cannibal King

        I'm with you on that one. I really had a hard time seeing the positives with him. He looked like a shaky, scared chihuahua in the middle of a pack of pit bulls. I'm no pro, but he just didn't even look the part.

      • DisabledPerson51

        Sadly, as good as he tried to be, he's simply not tall enough to play....which stinks because he's damned smart enough!

      • rome middlesex

        your right ejs awesome

  • Lloyd M. Jr.

    Well, the Bills cut Tuel. How about re-signing Thad Lewis?

    • MrMiloDavis

      I thought if given the chance, Lewis could've been something. He was tough, took some good hits against the Saints (I think?) last season but kept getting up.

      • Cannibal King

        I'd like to see the Bills sign Pryor as the development QB. Lewis over Tuel though... every day.

      • goldfish5free

        Lewis had plenty of practice... how well do you think Duke's offensive line protected him against the likes Miami, Clemson, and FSU? I don't blame the Bills for bringing in Orton, but they should have kept Lewis.

      • ptato22

        I'm completely mystified at how Lewis played so terribly this training camp and in preseason. Doesn't make sense. I thought he could have pushed EJ. Another poster commented that it's probably the QB coach messing every one up - they all got worse from last year. Well, Tuel stayed the same, which is interesting as last year he was good enough to start and this year he's cut. Interesting happenings at 1 Bills Drive, although Orton is better so maybe Tuel can go onto the practice squad and get better for a year.

        • rome middlesex

          Tuel is only qb in preseason to throw a td pass an last year he was only qb to throw for 300yds in his first start in his first year undrafted???????? hmmm ya think he shoulda got alil time with starters? nooo then whaley would look like a bigger fool wouldn't he? whaley will be fired he will be an Australian rugby scout , and his territory will be eastern lithuania !

    • Rollo Tomassi

      What!...not Tim Tebow!

    • B H

      Ya right.........that's just about what the Bills brain trust will probably do.....this team is a MESS just waiting to lose.

  • Mr.Niagara Falls

    Orton has been available all training camp and the rocket scientists in Bills country have just seen him? He could have been here all camp pushing the lame QB they have now. I was at 6-10 I now amend that to 5-11 or lower.

    • AGM1

      The Bill's Season of Misery now has a new chapter: "Orton Hears a Who?" by Doc Seuss and the Bill's Brassoleium!

    • Jim Belina

      The real question is why didn't any other team pick him up?

      • MaoSayTongue

        They will. He is on waivers until claimed. Tampa will take him; he is Mike Glennon's #1 college target.

        Gailey / Nix drafted him because they were tentatively planning to draft Glennon the following year.

        • Jim Belina

          What I meant was why didn't any other team pick up Kyle Orton? He's been out there since July. What gives?

          • MaoSayTongue

            Hehe. sorry

          • Buffalo Fan

            I heard he retired, but that was on the radio so may not have been accurate..

          • Mark

            What gives? Because, frankly, and nothing personal against the man, his NFL ship has sailed. Everyone knows it, but the Bills aren't very good in the head office department, obviously, and do everything in hindsight. So, now, after a season and preseason realizing that , HOLY CRAP, we have NO quarterback, it's panic time. They will bring him in and either he'll start very soon due to Manuel being 1) terrible, or 2) injured, and either option is very likely. He'll win four games and the Bills will be at the bottom again. Sorry for the negativity and harsh words. My opinion based on history and observation. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I will be.

        • Cannibal King

          He'll join Glennon on the bench.

    • Buffalo Fan

      I know, how dare they do what you thought was right haha. You complained when they didn't do it, then you complain again when they do!

      • rome middlesex

        DIDNT TEBOW START OVER ORTON? the agenda is 2 make sure that ej is only qb that knows offense so that fans cant scream 4 Tuel lmao isn't that obvious?

  • MrMiloDavis

    Thanks for ruining my weekend by cutting Tuel...geesh...(saracasm)

  • Polish Prince

    Graham had a decent camp, and was open on a least 6-7 deep fly patterns last year when EJ threw the ball deep and out of bounds [one pass hit a Tuba player]. If 3-4 of those passes connected for TD's Graham would still be on the team.

    That said Chris Hogan is a better option.

    Tuel had better stats than EJ but got cut? No tears, maybe the Bills will still try to land Kirk Cousins. He won't play in DC since Robert Griffin was anointed the starter.

    • WHAT?

      Those balls landed out of bounds because Graham wasn't smart enough to stay away from the sideline and give the QB room to work, a recurring problem with the receivers last year.

      • Cannibal King

        That's Graham's MO since college. Fly and deep post routes... and that's it. Mike Mayock had him rated as a 7th round receiving skills with 1st round speed. Goodwin is an upgrade, but he's fragile and EJ can't hit him either. Too fast for him I guess.

    • Buffalo Fan

      I don't watch training camp, but all I kept hearing from the press was that he drops balls when he's wide open all day

    • Cannibal King

      Damn tuba players.

    • B H

      EJ said the Tuba Player was wide open so he threw him he ball. Coach never told me not to throw da ball to a wide open Tuba Player............

  • joefriday14

    Should have cut EJ and Watkins and dug up Russ Thomas residing in Detroit. How can the team be so bad? Maybe they need to promote Mary Owen to run the team.Something bad is happening and it is just a matter of time before Ralph is going to have his name removed from the Stadium

    • Rollo Tomassi

      Uh?...What?

      • Art Vandelay

        My reaction exactly. What'chu talkin' about Willis?

        • Mark

          Art - LOVE the screen name! LOL!

    • Buffalo Fan

      How can they be so bad?? They haven't played ONE SINGLE GAME yet this year. You're sour grapes man.

      • ptato22

        I agree - let them play a few real games before we get so negative. Lots of mediocre teams out there struggling to win 8 games. Bills could easily win 9.

      • Mark

        Buffalo. I hear you, and I honestly don't mean to sound so negative. You're right, we should wait and see how the season starts. I think I speak for a lot of fans when I say that so far it's been so disappointing. Taking Watkins was a great move in my opinion, because I was hoping Manuel would have progressed from last year. It appears as of now, at least, he hasn't, and there is where the frustration and disappointment come in. Maybe it wouldn't seem so dire if the coaches and head office at least seemed like they had a clue. I'll try to be hopeful next week when I sit down to see them.

    • Cannibal King

      Geez... I hate to break the bad news to you - Ralph is dead. Is his ghost haunting the stadium??? Now we taxpayers finally have a legit reason to build a new stadium. Oh, that Ralph... still digging for gold in the afterlife.

      • joefriday14

        I live in Detroit and you are right. Ralph is well grounded and is still a down to earth type of guy. He makes good decisions. So much better than the Lions. You are so lucky. in Detroit we do not even have newspapers or a radio stations like WGR, You are one of the best spokesmen and if you moved to Detroit you would be so sad.

    • jwdundee

      His name should be removed so the naming rights can be sold to fund the next iteration of the Bills store. Taxpayers shouldn't be paying for a retail location for Billionaires.

  • AGM1

    The Bill's better start realizing that they don't have to loose the 16 season games to help the Sabres get back in the run for the two hot choices. I guess they didn't get the memo from Terry yet.

  • Jim Belina

    Looks like I'll have to watch the UB Bulls again this year if I want to see any decent football in this town.

  • MaoSayTongue

    He is a Buccaneer, reuniting with his boy Glennon--if he makes it to them on the waiver wire.
    TJ is the guy Mike Glennon needs to be the greatest ever.

    • Cannibal King

      Greatest ever what? Headset guy?

  • disqus_aX8keHetXc

    Front office of this team is starting to look like the keystone cops.

    • DisabledPerson51

      Yep, agree 100%. And for the Tuel haters, they never gave him the PROPER damned chance.....and just cut Moorman. Now what?? Keystone Dumbass Cops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Lloyd M. Jr.

      The Bills "brain trust" = amateur hour.

      • randyJ23

        I know. Can you believe they signed Corey Graham, and drafted Seantrel Henderson? What were they thinking?

  • WHAT?

    Mentioning Russell Wilson and Nick Foles? Cheap shots. I don't think anyone would have predicted they would be as good as they are now. A lot of teams missed, as mentioned. Graham as a luxury? Sorry, this team has been so deficient at receiver for so long it's a joke. The last time there was something close to a dominant player at that position was Eric Moulds. In a passing league, that just isn't acceptable.

  • Buffalo Fan

    All the Tuel enthusiasts must be devastated. The guy was a bum and I don't get the fans that thought he could possibly have been the answer.

    • Cannibal King

      Backup fever...

    • B H

      He actually process the game better then EJ..........so what does that tell us...

      If EJ wasn't selected in the first round would he even be on this team right now ? ? ?

      • Mark

        I agree. It shows how inept EJ is. You're right. The pressure is obviously on Whaley since he's the one who reached, or I should say over reached, for Manuel. He'd have been there in the third round, and everyone in the league knows it. I'm not bashing; no one has a crystal ball and hind sight is 20 / 20, but if Manuel goes out and continues to stink up the place, they have to make a move and sit him. For the good of the team.

        • AGM1

          Wait till he Blame's Buddy Nix and George W. Bush for these ills!

    • rome middlesex

      YOUR RIGHT EJS AWESOME

    • Mark

      Buf, exactly. It is a clear sign of how low the expectations have been, or the bar has been, set for this position on this team. When he stepped in for Manuel against Cleveland last year, even the Cleveland sports writers felt sorry for him the next day. Let's not forget the KC game. Not Tuel's faut he's not NFL material, but it is Brandon and Whaley's fault. They should be held accountable for the amateurish way this team has been run the past few years. I see three, maybe four wins, and fifteen straight years without a playoff birth. Acceptable? You tell me.

      • Lloyd M. Jr.

        Messrs. Brandon and Whaley share a small portion of the blame; look higher, namely the guy whose name adorns the stadium the Bills play in.

  • Sean P. Beiter

    1. When did teams stop carrying 3 QB's on the roster? Everyone does noT need to do what Bill Belichick does!
    2. Do Bills actually have 2 Punters on the Roster but we cut Cohen?

  • Sean P. Beiter

    Offensive Line is EITHER Choc Full Of Potential OR EPiC FAIL in the Making...

  • Sean P. Beiter

    Even before Bills Selected EJ Manuel, I hoped that they would (NOT in the 1st Round), and I really wanted this high character young professional to succeed, but my hope has waned. I'm still pulling for this good kid, but Orton's presence on the roster will be too hard to resist for the 2 Doug's, who are auditioning for their jobs with whomever the new owners may be... Not a good situation for EJ after an ugly pre-season. "Pressure, Cracking Down on Me..." - the GREAT DAVID Bowie with FREDDY MERCURY & QUEEN.

    SURPRISE US ALL EJ AND SHOVE ALL THIS DOUBT DOWN OUR THROATS! I'll be first in line to swallow my share!

  • Ridgewaycynic2013

    With all the QB changes, there's no way Jerry Sullivan will be able to keep track of all their names.

  • DisabledPerson51

    I really think if the Bills had let Jeff Tuel have true practice sessions and then him play with all that first hand knowledge, he could have been so much better than EJ Manuel. I know, probably no one agrees with me but...I thought he looked pretty good in comparison but needed to practice with the starters and get that chance. What the Bills are doing doesn't make sense...especially with Tuel. Some other team will pick him up and he'll probably do amazing things. Call me crazy...but I just really had a good feeling about him. And Moorman, he should have stayed.

    • tc1961

      I agree, along with many of my friends during our daily, what the heck talks. I'd like to see Tuel after four compete regular season games. Maybe he'll go practice roster...? I thougth Cohen was intersting too.

  • Jan Reimers

    Schmidt is listed as a kicker (along with place kicker Carpenter) on the Bills' website, and Jordan Gay as a punter. So we have more kicking specialists (3) than QBs (2). I guess we will have a kickoff specialist, besides a regular place kicker and a punter.

    It would be nice if we could save a roster spot by having either Gay (who I thought was a punter/kick off guy), or Schmidt, handle both punts and kick offs. Perhaps there will be a contest between them, or we will let Carpenter kick off.

    Given our need for talent, I hate to see a separate roster spot for a kick off specialist.

    • Lloyd M. Jr.

      The Bills had two kickers in the 1991 season; that cost Buffalo dearly when it came to Super Bowl hopes. They could have signed Matt Millen and let Bruce Smith recover from knee surgery on IR, and they could have added Jason Buck. That would have been a difference for the Bills' defense that year.
      However, you know how Ralphy was, even to his last breath... C. H. E. A. P.

  • ptato22

    So much for knowing that Lewis and Tuel would be the proper backups for this team. If they admit they got that so wrong, maybe they need to start thinking about other possible bad judgements. If they have 3 kickers are the team (2 kickers and a punter) then I totally agree with Jan - waste of one spot that could be utilized better. Go Bills: 9 and 7.

    • Mark

      Good points. I admire your optimism. I don't see at this point how this team can possibly win nine games. Seriously. I could see them easily going 4 and 12. They are just that bad.

    • AGM1

      9?&7?

      You're not serious....Are you????? Try 2 & 14 and more home games off tv.

      • randyJ23

        Care to revise your statement? Or do you think they will go 0-14 the rest of the way?

  • HarleyRider77

    It's going to be a long season...already.
    Prediction time...ta da...
    The Jacksonville Jaguars AND the Buffalo Bills total wins = 8.
    Been a Bills fan since 1960 and live in Jacksonville...WOW...no snow but the football season sure looks stormy!!!
    Last year...Bills 6 wins, Jags 4 wins, Gators 4 wins, Sabres last place in the NHL...my guad...do I have to start drinking again???
    Sure money time...take the opponents and the points...see you in Bermuda in January.

  • Cannibal King
  • You can’t handle the truth

    Love all the gloom and doom predictions based on a few quarters of preseason work with makeshift lineups and no game planning. Now the "sky is falling" crowd wants to cry about players getting cut who likely will not get picked up by any other team. The staff and management of the Bills are doing a great job. Now it is up to the players to perform. I believe they will. There are about 5 elite teams in the whole league. The rest are only separated by a single play or penalty between a win or a loss on any given Sunday. The difference between 10-6 and 6-10 is very slim. Last year the Chiefs got the lucky breaks and the Falcons and Texans were snake bit. This year the exact opposite could be true. Cheer your team for goodness sake, or watch golf instead.

    • Lloyd M. Jr.

      Yes, I'll cheer MY team... the Philadelphia Eagles!
      If the Bills wanted my support, they would have been hiring better-qualified people for GM and head coach, rather than picking up people of questionable qualifications as they have been doing all these years(such as Donohoe, Jauron, Levy[as GM], Gregg Williams, etc.)... just because they came cheap.
      Better GMs and head coaches = a better coaching staff = a better set of players = a better win-loss ratio = a better shot at post-season/Super Bowl aspirations. It's NOT THAT HARD to understand!

  • rome middlesex

    BILLS OFFENSE OUTSCORED 76 TO 3 IN 1ST HAL OF ALL 5 PRESEASON GAMES..... YOUR RIGHT I CANT HANDLE THAT TRUTH

  • Wayne Lester

    This is just another ploy to divert attention from the fact that we have no starting qb and no hope of making the playoffs.

    On behalf of all displeased Buffalo Bills fans..

    I have started a REAL petition. The link is below. Please sign it and spread the word... if not for you then for your good neighbors.

    On behalf of all displeased Buffalo Bills fans..

    I have started a REAL petition. The link is below. Please sign it and spread the word... if not for you then for your good neighbors.

    http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/voice-of-the-bills-fan.html

    Here is the USA persona of the Buffalo Bills... its time we changed it.

    Here is the USA persona of the Buffalo Bills... its time we changed it.

    http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2014-buffalo-bills-1628452314

    The only way we can get our Bills team back on track to the playoffs and away from the 4-12 season we are on pace for this season is to make the voice of the Bills fan heard where it will be heard the loudest... in the pockets of the greedy NFL. If YOU keep paying to watch a Bills team that hasn't made the playoffs in 15 years... then thats all YOU will ever see... while the NFL laughs all the way to the bank... with YOUR money.

    "You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe (like EJ will take us to the playoffs). You take the red pill, you stay in wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole (playoff drought) goes"

    Signed,

    A Bills Fan Since 1978.

    PETITION:

    TO THE NEW OWNER OF THE BUFFALO BILLS ORGANIZATION

    ...We, the Buffalo Bills fans, are offically protesting decades of watching inferior teams which have given our good city of Buffalo and the surrounding suburbs a bad reputation throughout the USA. We hereby refuse to pay the NFL to see any games until the Buffalo Bills organization produces a championship caliber football team.

    Signed,

    A Bills Fan.

    The only way we can get our Bills team back on track to the playoffs and away from the 4-12 season we are on pace for this season is to make the voice of the Bills fan heard where it will be heard the loudest... in the pockets of the greedy NFL. If YOU keep paying to watch a Bills team that hasn't made the playoffs in 15 years... then thats all YOU will ever see... while the NFL laughs all the way to the bank... with YOUR money.

    "You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe (like EJ will take us to the playoffs). You take the red pill, you stay in wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole (playoff drought) goes"

    Signed,

    A Bills Fan Since 1978.

    PETITION:

    TO THE NEW OWNER OF THE BUFFALO BILLS ORGANIZATION

    ...We, the Buffalo Bills fans, are offically protesting decades of watching inferior teams which have given our good city of Buffalo and the surrounding suburbs a bad reputation throughout the USA. We hereby refuse to pay the NFL to see any games until the Buffalo Bills organization produces a championship caliber football team.

    Signed,

    A Bills Fan.

    • randyJ23

      Wayne, how come you haven't been posting this ridiculousness the past week?

  • billsrback

    wow don't be jumpin ship yet. the great bills teams did squat in the pre-season. EJ is young..our O'line has played terrible. yet we do have the potential for a monster year on defense. not ready to bail, very optimistic and still think we can contend. maybe sooner than later. really hope EJ can shut everybody up this year.

    • B H

      OH, I see EJ is holding back for the season opener....LOL

  • http://www.espn.com Juan Moretime

    Cutting TJ Graham is the reason I predict our Bills will win the Super Bowel this year! Go Bills!

    • MaoSayTongue

      I predict the Texans will win it.

  • WestSideSoldie

    THE BILLS ARE THE WORST SPORTS FRANCHISE EVER. I'D RATHER WATCH THE 1919 CHICAGO BLACK SOX PLAY -- they had to try to suck...it just comes naturally to us! IF IT WASN'T FOR DAWN AND PETE THEY WOULDNT HAVE ANY TICKET SALES!!!! THANK YOU DAWN! THANK YOU PETE!

    • randyJ23

      Yep - worst ever. You are looking like a prophet now.

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